Proxy war could soon turn to direct conflict, analysts warn

most our soldiers in iraq & afghanistan are good as dead anyway,
the americans bombed those places almost flat with radioactive weapons before the soldiers were sent in - now they are living in the middle of a nuclear waste-dump.

cancer will take out most of them within 10 years, both governments know it and that makes both governments guilty of treason against there own personel apart from everything else.

never *ever* go near anywere the americans have bombed since the 90's - the radiation lasts 4,000,000,000 years!!!!
 
"bs"
most our soldiers in iraq & afghanistan are good as dead anyway.................................cancer will take out most of them within 10 years, both governments know it and that makes both governments guilty of treason.

Lol, more unsubstantiated bollox. "bs"
 
"bs"

Lol, more unsubstantiated bollox. "bs"

wots unsubstantiated?

must one prove EVERY WORD one says these days

if this was 1938 and I told you we were going to war next year you wouldn't believe that either, not without a torrent of proof when it's actually quite obvious. wot you say is bs m8 cos your not actually saying anything
 
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mask's post is slightly misleading in terms of the source of the radiation:

The US and UK forces use depleted uranium (DU) shells as they have better armour piercing capabilities than standard ordinance.

The half-life of DU is actually 4.6 billion years, not 4. (Although I thought the longer the half-life the safer it is?)

Some have suggested that it was the depleted uranium shells used in the Gulf War that caused Gulf War syndrome (others claim it was the cocktail of vaccines given to servicemen and women before and during their tours). More on depleted uranium: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

As for mask's previous comments, he clearly takes issue with the Jews/Israel but needs to remember; antisematic and other racist comments will not be tollerated. (So far I'd say he's only posted his opinion, which he is entitled to do, but should keep a check that what he posts can be backed up by other sources, e.g. Amnesty International etc).

And if he feels that strongly that our boys have been let down, at the very least he should sign Shawn's British Legion Petition sticky in General Chat.
 
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mask's post is slightly misleading in terms of the source of the radiation:

The US and UK forces use depleted uranium (DU) shells as they have better armour piercing capabilities than standard ordinance.

The half-life of DU is actually 4.6 billion years, not 4. (Although I thought the longer the half-life the safer it is?)

Some have suggested that it was the depleted uranium shells used in the Gulf War that caused Gulf War syndrome (others claim it was the cocktail of vaccines given to servicemen and women before and during their tours). More on depleted uranium: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

As for mask's previous comments, he clearly takes issue with the Jews/Israel but needs to remember; antisematic and other racist comments will not be tollerated. (So far I'd say he's only posted his opinion, which he is entitled to do, but should keep a check that what he posts can be backed up by other sources, e.g. Amnesty International etc).

you've just admitted he was right ... 4 ... 4.6 its the same

he's not slating orthodox Jews do a bit more reading m8, dont use wikipedia unless you wonna know the history of barry manilow's album releases ;)

as for being 'antisemitic' (roughly translated as 'I don't like to hear the truth so I'll call you a racist in front of everyone') do you know any Jews on this board or even in real life? I don't .. if I did I wouldn't have a problem with them unless they had a problem with me. I'm sure mask is the same.

any Jews here? anyone? I thought so ...
 
you've just admitted he was right ... 4 ... 4.6 its the same

he's not slating orthodox Jews do a bit more reading m8, dont use wikipedia unless you wonna know the history of barry manilow's album releases ;)

as for being 'antisemitic' (roughly translated as 'I don't like to hear the truth so I'll call you a racist in front of everyone') do you know any Jews on this board or even in real life? I don't .. if I did I wouldn't have a problem with them unless they had a problem with me. I'm sure mask is the same.

any Jews here? anyone? I thought so ...

Ok correcting 4 to 4.6 was a bit anal (could have sworn I put a :p at the end of that... must have deleted it :doh:), but I wasn't trying to prove him wrong.

Wikipedia was used to provide futher info on depleted uranium only.

I didn't say he was antisemetic (although perhaps including that comment may have implied I at least thought it?), the intention was to warn him to be careful. As once you start stating opinion as fact and become unable to back it up with impartial sources (again I'll use Amnesty International as an example, as I have looked at their site with regards to the Israel/Palestine issues) you could start to look racist depending on how a person chooses to read it.

And no I don't know any Jews, but then I don't have an opinion on them or their religion, or any religion for that matter...
 
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if this was 1943 and I told you we were going to war next year you wouldn't believe that either

Sorry, you've lost me there.:confused: If this was 1943, we would already have been at war for the last four years, so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say.

As for the rest of your post, I said that mask's post was bollox, and it was. Now if he wants to post bollox, that's up to him, but please don't get hot under the collar if I draw attention to the aforementioned bollox.

EDIT: Come to think of it, most of his other posts in this thread show a similar pattern.
 
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I said that mask's post was bollox, and it was. Now if he wants to post bollox, that's up to him, but please don't get hot under the collar if I draw attention to the aforementioned bollox.

EDIT: Come to think of it, most of his other posts in this thread show a similar pattern.

Well I beg to differ. It takes balls to say certain things, it doesn't take any to criticize. 'It's bollox' . Thats a good one , that really disproves his point doesn't it. ;)

I don't agree with violence either, just so you know.
 
yes, i shortened it's halflife a bit,

a few things about DU because of all the dis-info about.

1 the half-life refers to the time taken for the radiation to disipate by half, after that it drops off faster.
(it's not linear)

2: DU is very radioactive,
some people think it means it's depleted of radiation, what it really means is that it's depleted of a specific isotope.
238 i think, this makes it useless in nuclear reactors but it's still dangerous as hell.

this is the same stuff that is transported from powerstations by rail in special comntainers filled with water to stop the radiation and lined with steel & concrete to protect them in a crash.
they go to sellafield (winscale) and the cores are transfered to a giant water-pool for longterm storage.

and now it's used in weapons they try to pretend it's harmless!

once you breeth this stuff in your done, remember the old add's for "Redibreck" breakfast cerial?
yep, you'l be the one glowing from inside as you walk down the street.
 
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mask's post is slightly misleading in terms of the source of the radiation:

The US and UK forces use depleted uranium (DU) shells as they have better armour piercing capabilities than standard ordinance.

The half-life of DU is actually 4.6 billion years, not 4. (Although I thought the longer the half-life the safer it is?)

DU is also used for bomb and missile casings.
maybe it's seen as a sneaky nuclear war without the flash & bang, or it's seen as a genocidal chemical weapon.
before anybody says "bolox" keep in mind that the people who design these things are only interested in maximising bodycount - that's the purpose of the product.

as for half-life's,
the shorter the better - polonium is 2 or 3 hundred days - remember that stuff?
rope off a contaminated building for a year and it's gone.

du will outlast mankind.
not the best thing to leave behind for alien archiologists to dig up!
 
mates, I think were getting off the subject a little.....the thread was primarily about the US and the proxy war with Iran.

If you google US and Interference and government you get 1.9 million hits, its not by accident that the US foreign policy has always been national interest FIRST, Ok all nations have national interest as there main foreign policy stance but it cannot be the over-riding principal by which the nation survives.

The US have no problems in poluting the atmosphere, the US have no problems in laying down business restrictions (steel being one of the most remembered) even against the UK when it affect jobs in the USA, they have no problem raising masses of money for the IRA when they were bombing mainland UK, has everyone forget Irangate, Watergate, colonising the Red Indians, CIA black-ops intervention in almost all middle eastern, south american and former USSR states & one of the biggest proxy wars in history AFGHANS against the USSR. It was the US special forces/CIA that revived the word jihad in the muslim world and now when you ride the whirl-wind sometime you get a few nasty surprises along the way.

And as I mentioned in a previous posting by the US I always mean government and not the people, there just as much victims of there own governement as we are.

The US has to remember MIGHT is not always tight because history has shown us the Empires come and Empires go.
 
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i still say bomb tel-aviv,
they *do* have weapons of mass destruction,
they *are* dangerous dictators,
they *did* ignore U.N. resolutions, (over 50 of them)
they *have* carried out terrorist act's in other country's iincluding Europe.
and they have been murdering people (palastinians *are* people) for over 60 years.

BOMB TEL-AVIV!

Who cares, you should post this on aljazeera
 
mate enough is enough,

the US government knows that its on its own continent and the majority of the problems, if there was a war would be in Europe and Middle East.

After all the shits dies down after any war, who benefits, yes you got it the US economy.

I'm all for defending ourself, but lets look at this scenario;

Russia takes missiles to its own friendly partner country, let say Cuba - its not illegal? is it as all friendly states have a god-given right to exchange any items they want between themselves.

Or Iran backs Cuba by funding weapons and training and incites the Cubans to attack the US - how is this different from what the US have done in several countries (Iran/Iraq) war being one of these occasions.

It seems to me that if any country attack the UK by military force, then its just and right that they should defend themselves, but what if country X starts supplying weapons to the Scottish Nationalist or Welsh Nationalist and incites them to attack the English parliament, would anyone not see this as incitement - how is this different from supply weapons to the Kurds, Shites (favorable to the US) and sunni groups (favorable to the US) to fight a civil war in there own country and Afghani government. Does anyone really care if the afghans want to grow beards and rule over them selves however they want, why is it 95% of all women are still as oppressed under the new afghan govenment as they were previously under the pro-taliban government. But the afgahn goverment have sucured a gas pipeline from the caspian sea are to India and Turkey - just a coincidence perhaps.

The US goverment dont give a shit about anyone of us, remember the kyoto agreement, they and there experts said that global warming was a load of rubbish - now the US goverment are saying that the biggest contribution to green house gases is industrial polution - and you guess right, they are saying that China, India, Brazil and the OTHER countries eventually catching up with the Industrial revolution should cut there emissions but the US govenment wouldnt sign up for any agreement that says it has to cut major green house gases in the US.

It is clear for us all the US governent only thinks about its own rich classes - they dont even value lives if they are BLACK or HISPANIC or PORTO RICIAN or MEXICAN or any other nationality or race.

For those of you who have watched the documentary SICKO, you see how the elite classes even subjugate there own people, after watching Sicko (I recommend it to all) check out the 9/11 commemerations in New York (only a few days ago), the officials had the ordacity to praise the fire brigade, police and civilian volunteers (yes the civilian volunteers - yes the very ones that cant even get free medicinal care or social security disability payment because the respiratory or psycological problems they are suffering from arn't covered by MEDICARE and Mayor Julianni has told these people that they should not have gone into such a dangerous environment without the appropriate safety equipent but at the time the same guy was on TV every days asking people to show the New Yorker spirit).

Sorry for the long reply but please think for our future and the future of our kids, do we really want to start a war and insecurity all around the world, eventually what goes-around-comes-around.

I would greatly appreciate a frank and fruitful discussion in this thread because they times maybe some of the most important and dangerous times that this planet has seen and I think we as the human race are slowing moving to the edge of the precipice and soon we'll fall off it into oblivion?????

well said mate!
 
i agree with the last part of that post but the first part suggesting that the u.s benefits from these wars are wrong. the us did not benefit from the war in iraq and they would not benefit from any war in the m.e. these wars are started by a corrupt elite who put their own interest first.

it is a financial gain, OIL the biggest commodity in the east and they are sucking the supplying right off the rightful owners the iraqis!

read somewhere that a oil pipeline has been built from Iraq to Isreal. will try and find this link and post it here.
 
first off sorry for big post but i didnt want to post a single answer for every post!

i still say bomb tel-aviv,
they *do* have weapons of mass destruction,
they *are* dangerous dictators,
they *did* ignore U.N. resolutions, (over 50 of them)
they *have* carried out terrorist act's in other country's iincluding Europe.
and they have been murdering people (palastinians *are* people) for over 60 years.

BOMB TEL-AVIV!

mate, that wont solve a thing, what you mean is get rid of the idiots who are the real terrrorist orchestrating the wars and creating hatred towards nations and the crusades being launched agi=ainst the people of the middle east!

Why is it that certain countries namely US, UK, Former USSR states, France etc are armed to the teeth and are afraid of "terrorists" from the middle east. Surely, the Middle East, which has no real army, no real navy, no real airforce, should be more afraid for there national safety.

I dont recall Iran ever invading the US, UK, Russia, France, worst they did was the Iran hostage seige in London, I think in the eightees.

The UN are a proxy for the US and are vettoed or cajouled as necessary - no-one takes the UN serious, remember the massacres in sierra leone, Bosnia.

As I remember from the schoolyard days the only way of getting free of the bully is to let him know that you wont be pushed around and that if you are attacked you will fight back and injury him as much as he'll injure you.

The superpowers of this world are the ones that are forcing everyone to go back to the law of the jungle. If there was an impartial court of some type which metered out fair justice equal to all, then all these problem would not arise. It only because might is right that these problems are being exacerbated.

alot of valid points there mate about UN, al lthe big countries holding WEAPONS OF MAS DESTRUCTION and that being perfectly normal!

at the end of the day there are no weapons of mass destruction its all bollocks if so where are they? thats the main reason they went to war or shall i say main excuse.
us citizens are the ones who are suffering in all this
all the terrorist crap started after the war on iraq who gets hurt we do!
it best not to stick your nose in other peoples business i say we go there innocent civillians get killed dont forget!
them same civillians come here for revenge and kill us imagine if your whole family gets wiped out God forbid but just imagine what would go through your head you'd want to go there and get revenge

at the end of the day whats iraq achieved fair enough no Saddam but there was less people getting killed then there is now!

its only for the oil Bush has got what he needed now he wants Iran cos he's just realised the oil pipes come under Iran no media tells you the truth you only believe what you hear and see how do you know its the truth!

when our soldiers die there have you noticed 9/10 times it was an accident plane crash or something stupid its all bollocks if you ask me i think we should pull out of there and leave em to it
it will save us and our soldiers!

your right mate, so far all wars have been bollox! history is full of it too! its always the innocent people that suffer! and i believe the innocent people here will suffer too? your thinking how? its already happening? DNA database, big brother? soon a police state? then feedom of speech will be restricted! politics has always been about controlling, mind games and using things as scapegoats to promote your agendas and views!

mates, I think were getting off the subject a little.....the thread was primarily about the US and the proxy war with Iran.

If you google US and Interference and government you get 1.9 million hits, its not by accident that the US foreign policy has always been national interest FIRST, Ok all nations have national interest as there main foreign policy stance but it cannot be the over-riding principal by which the nation survives.

The US have no problems in poluting the atmosphere, the US have no problems in laying down business restrictions (steel being one of the most remembered) even against the UK when it affect jobs in the USA, they have no problem raising masses of money for the IRA when they were bombing mainland UK, has everyone forget Irangate, Watergate, colonising the Red Indians, CIA black-ops intervention in almost all middle eastern, south american and former USSR states & one of the biggest proxy wars in history AFGHANS against the USSR. It was the US special forces/CIA that revived the word jihad in the muslim world and now when you ride the whirl-wind sometime you get a few nasty surprises along the way.

And as I mentioned in a previous posting by the US I always mean government and not the people, there just as much victims of there own governement as we are.

The US has to remember MIGHT is not always tight because history has shown us the Empires come and Empires go.

exactly, the US does exactly what it wants and it tells everyone else where to get off! and it instigates the attacks! all empires rise and ultimately fall! the US will soon fall and again it will be the innocent people of america that will suffer!

i dont condone violence niether do i think it solves anytihng. i dont side with anyone either. i believe every person has the right to be who they are, practice any religion they want, be free and proud of who they are!

wrote that quick, will correct any grammer n spelling mistakes.
 
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it is a financial gain, OIL the biggest commodity in the east and they are sucking the supplying right off the rightful owners the iraqis!

read somewhere that a oil pipeline has been built from Iraq to Isreal. will try and find this link and post it here.


92% of American oil imports comes from Canada which is the largest followed by,Mexico and the Gulf,Venezuela,Nigeria .As you can see very little come from Iraq
Jan - July 2006
Thousand Barrels per Day

CANADA 2,250
MEXICO 1,784
SAUDI ARABIA 1,442
VENEZUELA 1,455
NIGERIA 1,171
ALGERIA 606
RUSSIA 349
IRAQ 553
ANGOLA 501
UNITED KINGDOM 294
VIRGIN ISLANDS 305
COLOMBIA 185
KUWAIT 165
BRAZIL 177
LIBYA 81
 
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92% of American oil imports comes from Canada.
Jan - July 2006
Thousand Barrels per Day

CANADA 2,250
MEXICO 1,784
SAUDI ARABIA 1,442
VENEZUELA 1,455
NIGERIA 1,171
ALGERIA 606
RUSSIA 349
IRAQ 553
ANGOLA 501
UNITED KINGDOM 294
VIRGIN ISLANDS 305
COLOMBIA 185
KUWAIT 165
BRAZIL 177
LIBYA 81

Don't think 92% is quite right.
 
it is a financial gain, OIL the biggest commodity in the east and they are sucking the supplying right off the rightful owners the iraqis!

read somewhere that a oil pipeline has been built from Iraq to Isreal. will try and find this link and post it here.

your refering to the old Iran>>Haifa pipeline from the days of the shah,
it's not working yet - it needs to be upgraded first.

incidentally, it is about oil, but not stealing it.

if you read the *plan* (project for a new american century)
it's about control, they wanted to control the oil to stop china from getting it.

the dickheads in the thinktank think that china's economic growth will leave america in the shadows and the only way to stop that growth is to stop them getting the resources they need.

interesting that china is Iran's main customer now.
 
mates, I dont want to be the face of doom all the time, but the answer is simple.......let people rule themselves without interference.....this means US not interfering with the Middle East and the Middle East has never interfered with the US. If any country is run be dicatators, stop selling them military hardware and let the indiginous people of that country decide its own future, simple isn't it.............but wait how will the big multi-national companies make money with so-much stability in the world???

You chat utter bullshit.

Why shouldnt Other countries not interfere with a country that ;-

1, Slaughters it's civilians
2, Rapes women/children
3, Bleeds the economy dry

If lets say Sir Mingus Campbell was to win a landslide victory at the next general election.

He orders;-

1, Burns your house down because your a scouser.
2, Orders solders into your estate and start rapeing chavs, scroats and your family.
3, Taxes your money left right and centre so you have nothing left.


Sick but it does go on.

Now writting the above im sure you would want someone at least to come to your aid and help knock Campbell off his high horse.


Its do gooders like you who make this country shit..
 
Don't think 92% is quite right.

Don't give a monkeys if you don't think 92% is correct, You see I have just returned from the states, the other half had some conference on this bio fuel, and I know for sure it happens to be a fact 92%
 
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