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BBC News - Should workers be forced to clock out to smoke?

Smokers working at a district council must clock out when they nip outside for a fag. So is it fair that employees who smoke do it in their own time?

They're a familiar sight in British towns and cities, huddled at the foot of office blocks under wisps of smoke.

These are the outsiders, both figuratively and literally, who grab a few minutes away from their desk or the shop floor to have a cigarette.

The number of pavement puffers swelled with the demise of the office smoking room when legislation in Scotland in 2006 and the rest of the UK a year later spelt the end of smoking in enclosed public places.

But should they be paying back the time they spend away from their work?

For hundreds of staff at Breckland Council in Norfolk, that is now the reality. On Monday, the district council began a regime of compulsory clocking in and out for smoking breaks, thereby joining some other employers in the public and private sectors who have done the same.

William Nunn, leader of the council, says the move was not initiated by staff resentful that colleagues kept deserting their desk, but by smokers themselves.

"This all came about when staff contacted our HR team because they were confused about what the policy was on clocking out for smoking breaks. Some of the smokers were concerned because many of them, 54% it turned out, clocked out."

What does the law say?
"Employers are not obligated to allow employees to have any smoking breaks at all, and they are legally required to prevent employees from smoking in the workplace. Generally, employees working a shift of six hours or more are entitled to a 20-minute unpaid break during their shift. The entitlement is to one break only and you can normally take this away from your workstation. However, there is an exemption to this where there is a requirement for a permanent presence."

Peter Done

Peninsula, an employment law consultancy
All 280 staff were surveyed about it and expressed a desire to formalise the policy so that smokers had to clock out for breaks, in the same way that staff would if they nipped out to Tesco, says Mr Nunn. That doesn't apply to coffee breaks because the kitchens are in the building.

"I would suggest that all staff take breaks. The difference is that smokers are taking additional breaks. Everyone, non-smokers and smokers, goes for a wander or for a coffee and we're not suggesting that they should be clocked. We have a policy around personal internet use - that it should only be in free time - and there are undoubtedly breaches of that, like in any company."

There was no suggestion the previous system was being abused, he says, and there have been no objections from the council's 53 smokers. Indeed, many have said they prefer to clock out so their time out is not frowned upon by resentful non-smoking colleagues.

'Tensions over breaks'

The length and frequency of the smoking breaks his employees take varies, says Mr Nunn. Some say they have a couple a day for 4-5 minutes, but others say they have three or four which could last up to 20 minutes if they have clocked out and had a good chat.

On average, a smoker spends an hour each day on a fag break, according to research published last month by Market Research, Market Research Companies, Online Market Research: OnePoll, who contacted 2,500 adult smokers in the UK. This was usually made up of four 15-minute breaks a day, or a year over their working life.

Smokers have to make up the time taken for cigarette breaks
But a previous study in 2003, by workplace advice firm Croner Consulting, estimated that it was more likely to be three five-minute breaks a day, making about eight working days a year. The Leicestershire firm said it would receive up to 100 calls a week from bosses worried about what to do about it.

One company head who found smoking to be particularly divisive was Robert King, who managed his own security company in Sheffield, which employed between five and 15 people during his five years as the director.

"There was serious tension at one point when one member of staff, a smoker, didn't respect the rights of the non-smokers because as part of a group of employees performing a task, he would go out for fag, which was disruptive to the team."

“Whether it's outside the office or the pub or restaurant we're all lepers and persona non grata now”
Richard Hancock

Smoker

The solidarity of street smokers
A clocking-on system would have addressed these kind of problems because it makes smokers accountable to themselves, says the 46-year-old former smoker, who believes too many smokers think only about their next cigarette and not the team.

"It's frustrating as a boss because you are virtually powerless. Everyone has a right, if they choose to smoke, but where that right ends is the issue that is contentious within business."

Clocking off is another example of employers making life as difficult as possible for smokers, says Simon Clark, the director of pro-smoking lobby group Forest, who says it's unfair to penalise these breaks but not others.

"There's no evidence that smokers are working fewer hours than non-smokers. They come out with all these statistics but they are based on 'guestimates'. Can non-smokers truthfully say they're not making personal phone calls, browsing the internet or taking coffee breaks?

"The problem is that when smokers take a break it's very visible because they have to go outside."

This might seem a reasonable policy but where does it end, he asks. Already some companies are placing recruitment adverts asking for non-smokers, forcing smokers to lie when questioned at an interview.

Breaks of any form are absolutely essential, says Cary Cooper, a professor of organisational psychology and health at Lancaster University Especially for British workers, who he says slog the longest hours in the EU, often in front of a computer, but are among the least productive.

'Smokers have the right idea'
Smokers are doing the right thing by taking breaks
People should take breaks every 15-20 minutes while doing intense screen work, because concentration flags
But some individuals may take advantage and slack off
It can be distracting if a colleague is disappearing every so often, so it's important non-smokers get up and stretch too
As long as people maintain a good attitude to work and get the job done, employers shouldn't worry about smoking breaks
Clare Evans, time management expert
"People are working longer and harder than ever before. Quite a lot of people are about to lose their jobs in the public sector and this will impact on the private sector also. Fewer people are going to be doing more work. Given this scenario, breaks are more important than ever before."

Fag breaks give smokers the opportunity to chat and socialise, which can help the business, he says.

"If most of us are going to work and are in front of our machines, tending to e-mails and everything, we're not relating to other people. When we take a break we're talking to colleagues and that's ultimately important for teamwork and meeting people's social needs. Breaks aren't just about getting away from the computer but having contact with colleagues, which I think has an indirect benefit on productivity."

Breaks should be for everybody, he says, and unless the clocking-out policy applies to all kinds of breaks, it merely victimises smokers.

A better solution would be giving all staff a 15-minute break in the morning, another in the afternoon, and an hour for lunch. Any additional breaks, for smoking or whatever, can be on the clock.

"It's all about the T-word. The more you trust people the better. And if people undermine that trust then give them feedback."
 
not bothered but it cant just apply to smokers, what about those who go to pray several times a day, should the rule apply to them aswell?

same for those who pop out for a coffee every hour,

theres loads of different people who waste work time by these acts everyday but nooooo lets pick on the smokers yet again.
 
Dont think they should be forced to clock out. A break every so often doesnt hurt but then if someone is taking the biscuit and going out every 15minutes (like a guy where i am) then that becomes a different issue and should be taken up with the individual and if a manager doesnt have the balls to do that then thats his/her problem.
 
i don't think smokers should have to clock in and out at break times - especially when the same break times are taken by everybody else. The only difference is the non-smokers choose to sit in the canteen or on the internet while the smokers go outside for a ciggie - but essentially everyone takes the same length of break and making the smokers out to be doing something wrong could amount to discrimination.
 
i don't think smokers should have to clock in and out at break times - especially when the same break times are taken by everybody else. The only difference is the non-smokers choose to sit in the canteen or on the internet while the smokers go outside for a ciggie - but essentially everyone takes the same length of break and making the smokers out to be doing something wrong could amount to discrimination.

don't think thats true, in my place smokers get same breaks as everyone else + smoke breaks. Doesn't bother me, they are killing themselves early, less people to deal with in old age.
 
2 smokes breaks where I work, one official tea break for everyone and one lunch break for everyone...smokers have no special treatment and extra breaks.

Last place I worked, the smokers had 2 extra breaks...it all depends on the buisness policy.
 
I work with a few smokers and used to be one myself, they all nip out for a quick fag here and there as long as it doesn't leave me in the poop and mess up whatever it is we are doing at the time I can't say I mind!
 
another thing this country is hung up on

the quest for political correctness

you will find simply stopping smokers from smoking during work will infact reduce efficiency and morale as a result of lack of concentration and increased irritation

as long as the smokers dont interfere with non smokers then who gives a s**t

i quit last december and i hate smoking but do i have any right to interfere with people's lives

we talk about human and civil rights about treating people the same regardless of colour or race - this country is the epicentre of all this crap, but when it comes to smokers they are not allowed the same rights

if they want to kill themselves slowly then so be it

we have already removed a massive part of this british culture in this country by banning smoking in pubs thus pubs closing down - instead we created a booze orientanted society of binge drinkers who buy in bulk from the supermarket and sit on their arses watching tv all night
 
Peeps who smoke should only do so on official breaks as far as i'm concerned.Why should peeps who don't smoke have to carry on working while their workmates who smoke get extra breaks.
 
Peeps who smoke should only do so on official breaks as far as i'm concerned.Why should peeps who don't smoke have to carry on working while their workmates who smoke get extra breaks.

I agree with this, mabey not fource them to clock out but only resign to normal break times no extra wee 5/10 min here and there.
 
i suppose it depends on how many extra breaks they are taking, if it's only one or two five minute breaks a day that's one thing, if it's ten or fifteen minutes every hour well that's different
 
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