Chinese execute Brit!!!!
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señor ding dong
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I agree entirely, but only to the extent that you still have to protect vulnerable people from being exploited. Again, we have no way of knowing anything about the mental state of this guy, but Chinese law does make provisions for people with mental problems, and I'm not at all convinced that they went by the book on this one.
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4kg is a pretty big decoy, though.
Regardless, none of us have any way of knowing anything about the mental state of this guy, but the reports suggest that he had been diagnosed with delusional psychosis in addition to the bipolar disorder, which at the very least is a claim that should have been investigated and not merely dismissed with the somewhat illogical rationale that had no prior mental illness. Using the same Chinese logic, I could then prove his innocence with the fact that he also had no prior criminal record. Case closed.
The point is, putting someone to death is a very serious matter, and I can't help but feel that this guy became a little bit of a pawn in a political game that started in Copenhagen. Perhaps the Chinese would have been slightly more open to pleas for clemency, had Gordon Brown not laid the entire blame for the impending destruction of the world as we know it entirely on the Chinese's shoulders over the last few weeks.
Another case of some other poor sap reaping what Gordon sows...?
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I dont know much about this case except what ive saw on this thread.
It looks a little like shoot the messenger to me and i agree what others have said about him being replaced by the dealer.
It does look like a statement from the Chinese but they have put a man to death to prove that statement.
If he did have a mental illness but was not tested by the Chinese then they have went over the top imo.
It looks a little like shoot the messenger to me and i agree what others have said about him being replaced by the dealer.
It does look like a statement from the Chinese but they have put a man to death to prove that statement.
If he did have a mental illness but was not tested by the Chinese then they have went over the top imo.
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Yip, a lot of unsuspecting Lorry drivers travelling back and forth over the channel have been caught this way, they get a good looking lady and she offers the driver a £1000 if he'll drop off a package to someone waiting at the other side, as he's travelling over they call customs and he gets pulled while the real deal travels safely thru.
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if he was that gone in the head, why did his family let him travel alone?
if they 'knew' he was vulnerable to people like this, they basicly sent him off alone to his death then?
mental, my arse
he tried, he got caught, he paid the price, good on china for not backing down, chinese laws on chinese land, no ifs or buts.
if they 'knew' he was vulnerable to people like this, they basicly sent him off alone to his death then?
mental, my arse
he tried, he got caught, he paid the price, good on china for not backing down, chinese laws on chinese land, no ifs or buts.
The chinese are simply saying to world saviour Gordon Brown........stop telling other countries how to manage their own affairs keep your nose out of our domestic affairs..first take a look at broken britain with , high record of crackheads, pregnant kids , broken families, .......... murderers ,rapists and violent offenders still walk the streets, in fact , youve lost control and the lawbiding taxpayer pays for it, same as they pay for the billions you keep offering to other countries so that they might regard you as their saviour . This is why the chinese have simply said .. 'what makes you think your right when you imply that we are wrong...look in the mirror'
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It's hardly the first time family members have been unable to keep people with mental disorders from putting themselves or others in danger.
You're making assumptions about the nature of their relationship, which seem to contradict the reports that he had not been in contact with his family for some time.
Are you dismissing the entire field of psychological evaluation, or just this particular diagnosis?
Chinese law has provisions for offenders with mental health problems. Judging by the reports, not only did they show no interest in investigating whether this was an issue, they ignored a specific diagnosis of two mental disorders on the utterly illogical grounds that he had no prior history of mental problems, and that he himself failed to provide evidence of his condition.
I have no sympathy for drug smugglers, but as I've already said, none of us have any way of knowing anything about this man's mental state. It's quite clear that the Chinese didn't have any interest in looking into that particular issue, and that he was used to send a message to the UK.
he was mentally ill - he tried to smuggle drugs into china were they have the death penalty for drug smugglers - fairly clear evidence of not having either the ability to make rational decisions or a firm grasp of reality - problem is by those criteria everyone else who's ever been caught trying to smuggle drugs in china is also mentally ill and it's never cut any ice before so why shoudl it now....
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Nonsense. Not only was none of the above the basis for the mental illness argument, nor would knowingly breaking the law be considered mental illness, but as The Guardian pointed out, an American national recently had a murder sentence reduced on the grounds that he was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. In this case, there was clearly no interest in even investigating that aspect, and the "trial" was conducted in less than 30 minutes.
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it was heroin was it?
my sisters been battling a heroin addiction for over ten years now so that makes me even less forgiving towards him.
that 4kilo of heroin would of bought far more deaths / pain onto families than just the pain this guys family are feeling now
my sisters been battling a heroin addiction for over ten years now so that makes me even less forgiving towards him.
that 4kilo of heroin would of bought far more deaths / pain onto families than just the pain this guys family are feeling now
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... ummmmmm, they don't. The mental illness defense is very rarely invoked.
I would agree, if the guy knew what he was doing. And he might have been. The mental illness thing might indeed have been a scam, we simply have no way of knowing. All we know is that at least one doctor was confident enough in a diagnosis, and that the Chinese demonstrated a suspicious degree of indifference towards that aspect of the case and rushed a verdict.
But let's for the sake of argument say you knew that he was mentally ill, and that he genuinely didn't understand or know what he was doing. Would you not sympathize with the fact that he would be every bit as much of a victim as your sister? I mean, your sister's problem is also breaking the law, and by Wonko's rationale, which no reasonable person would support, she would be classed as mentally ill, and thus deserves no sympathy.
The reality is that the drug business ruins lives. They exploit vulnerable people, even children. Sure, addicts should have been smart enough to say no, strong enough to break a habit, and children should have followed those handy "winners don't do drugs" stickers on video games, but those who have been there, or know people who have, generally take a more sympathetic view, and if this guy was indeed suffering from conditions that impaired his judgment to the extend that he didn't even know what he was doing, putting him to death seems awfully cruel.
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Punishment: yes. Death...?
the criminals in this country have better rights and representation than their victims, those living off the state are better off than those working and paying into the state, the whole legal system in this country is a joke. murder someone and youll be walking the streets in 7 years time, rob a post office with a toy gun and youll be lucky if you see another pillarbox in the next 10 years
everything in the UK is geared against the sheeple. im a law abiding tax paying citizen, yet if some crazed junkie broke into my house in the middle of the night, and ended up impaled on my smaurai sword and a nunchuka sticking out of his eye socket (which if the kids are in the house, WOULD happen) it would be me that goes to prison
if i had the money, and none of the ties, id emigrate in a flash. ive nearly done it twice but things fell through, now i have kids, but id still consider it when theyre older, and the country is in a worse state
everything in the UK is geared against the sheeple. im a law abiding tax paying citizen, yet if some crazed junkie broke into my house in the middle of the night, and ended up impaled on my smaurai sword and a nunchuka sticking out of his eye socket (which if the kids are in the house, WOULD happen) it would be me that goes to prison
if i had the money, and none of the ties, id emigrate in a flash. ive nearly done it twice but things fell through, now i have kids, but id still consider it when theyre older, and the country is in a worse state
