You didn't really think the smoking ban would not continue did you?

[mozr]

'No plans' to ban smoking in cars

The report said smoking in cars exposed children to cigarette smoke


The Scottish government said there were currently no plans to ban smoking in private cars and public areas used by children.

The comments came in a response to a report by the Royal College of Physicians.

It said smoking in cars was an "important and persistent" factor in exposing children to cigarette smoke.

Campaign group Forest, which opposes smoking bans, said such moves would be unacceptable and unenforceable.

'Simplest means'

Banning smoking in cars would be "the simplest means" of preventing children from being exposed to dangerous tobacco smoke in vehicles, the Royal College of Physicians report concluded.

Dr Neil Dewhurst, president of the Royal College of Physicians of Edinburgh (RCPE), said: "Passive smoking exposure levels in children have fallen by 40% in Scotland since the introduction of smoke-free legislation, but exposure levels in children of smokers remain high and demand further legislative action.

"We fully endorse today's report which calls for an extension of smoke-free legislation throughout the UK in order to include public areas frequented by children and in cars.

"The evidence is compelling. Passive smoking exposure significantly increases the risk of a range of diseases in children."
While there are currently no plans to extend the smoke-free laws to private cars, the Scottish Government is conscious that private cars are now one of the main places for exposure of children to second-hand smoke
Scottish government spokesperson


Mr Dewhurst said Scotland had led the UK in the introduction of smoke-free legislation and he called on the Scottish government to extend this legislation as a matter of priority.

A Scottish government spokesperson said: "The successful implementation of the smoke-free legislation has undoubtedly reduced exposure to second-hand smoke among children in Scotland, partly as a result of the greater awareness among their parents and those close to them about the risks of second-hand smoke.

"While there are currently no plans to extend the smoke-free laws to private cars, the Scottish government is conscious that private cars are now one of the main places for exposure of children to second-hand smoke.

"In conjunction with our health improvement partners, we are continuing to do all we can to highlight the risks posed by second-hand smoke."

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I am sick to death (pun intended) of the health lobby in this country. Absolutely, utterly, bored with the entire brigade of five-a-day, alcohol limited, no smoking, no fatty food, get more exercise, idiots that plague my daily life.

I am an adult. Leave me alone. When I want someone who is less intelligent than me to tell me what to do I will ask. Ok?

Of course, they use kids as the excuse, but the wish is to further instruct parents on how to raise their children, and a slow march to the prohibition of smoking, is a further encroachment of our liberty. There is a reason why the NHS website is called http://www.smokefreeengland.co.uk.

How long the Scottish government hold out against it, I don't know.

Sorry I have to stop this rant. I am going to the local school to smoke a cigar.

 

[audiobookman]

i just saw this on the news, they even hinted at banning it in the home. now being an ex smoker, now efag user it wouldnt affect me too much. but im disgusted how this so called free country is being dragged down to a police state, what they going to do next give us all cerfews and tell us what time to go to bed??!!?
this is over stepping the mark imho, i can understand then saying kids in car etc, but why the hell should my 70year old inlaws have to abide to the no car smoking ban when they dont ever have kids in the car.
If they are so dead set against it out right ban tobacco products, but of course they wont as the ££££ they get is worth to much for them.

What people need to realise is smoking is only the start of YOUR rights being erroded, they will and have started on fast food, drink etc. we will all soon be taxed or told we can only take so many breaths of air a day before being fined.
EVERYONE should stand against this not only smokers, once these people get away with one thing more always follows......

 

[señor ding dong]

I am sick to death (pun intended) of the health lobby in this country. Absolutely, utterly, bored with the entire brigade of five-a-day, alcohol limited, no smoking, no fatty food, get more exercise, idiots that plague my daily life.

I don't think five-a-day or your personal exercise level is likely to become the subject of any new laws, but the smoking ban was an outstanding and long overdue initiative.

I am an adult. Leave me alone. When I want someone who is less intelligent than me to tell me what to do I will ask. Ok?

I don't know that intelligence plays much of a part in this, but I do consider inconsiderate smoking to be a serious character flaw. Some smokers are considerate enough to take their vile habit somewhere private, where it doesn't bother anyone, and if all smokers were as sensible as that, there would have been no need for laws to curb their disgusting behavior.

Of course, they use kids as the excuse, but the wish is to further instruct parents on how to raise their children...

A worthwhile effort, considering the poor job so many parents are doing.

The protection of children in particular should be the primary aim of smoking bans. As an adult, I can go up to a smoker and slap the silly little rolled-up piece of burning paper, he insists on sucking on, out of his mouth, if it bothers me. Children really don't have that option, and it was as a child I formed my views about smoking, having been stuck in cars and small rooms with adults, whose response to my choked pleas for a bit of fresh air was "a bit of smoke never killed anyone". Ironically, it did in fact kill at least one of my tormentors, and another is circling the drain.

and a slow march to the prohibition of smoking, is a further encroachment of our liberty.

Liberty doesn't give you the right to take liberties with the rights and health of others.

 

[mozr]

Behind every revolutionary, lies a policeman.

Lets have a ding dong!

I don't think five-a-day or your personal exercise level is likely to become the subject of any new laws, but the smoking ban was an outstanding and long overdue initiative.

You would have to ask a five-a-day co-coordinator about their powers. I am not sure.

Outstanding in what respect? The implication is that it is something that needed to be addressed because of a supposed moral infraction. I posit that it was and is not.

I don't know that intelligence plays much of a part in this,

If you are going to force people to behave in a particular way, I believe you should have the intelligence to understand philosophical concepts of liberty, and the public/private dialectic. I do not believe most politicians fully grasp the enormity of making something illegal.

but I do consider inconsiderate smoking to be a serious character flaw.

I would agree.

Some smokers are considerate enough to take their vile habit somewhere private, where it doesn't bother anyone, and if all smokers were as sensible as that, there would have been no need for laws to curb their disgusting behavior.

Ex smoker are we?

A worthwhile effort, considering the poor job so many parents are doing.

To an extent. I see clearly your allegiances (we have had this conversation before). I feel as though you would be happy living in a society completely reliant upon the state.

The protection of children in particular should be the primary aim of smoking bans. As an adult, I can go up to a smoker and slap the silly little rolled-up piece of burning paper, he insists on sucking on, out of his mouth, if it bothers me.

Violence? Well Senor, I never knew you had it in you. You could certainly try.

Children really don't have that option

Neither do you, as that would be committing a crime now wouldn't it?

and it was as a child I formed my views about smoking, having been stuck in cars and small rooms with adults, whose response to my choked pleas for a bit of fresh air was "a bit of smoke never killed anyone". Ironically, it did in fact kill at least one of my tormentors, and another is circling the drain.

Sounds like you had a tough time. You should write an 'emotion porn' book. They sell like hotcakes at WHSmith.

Liberty doesn't give you the right to take liberties with the rights and health of others.

Good point. So when are we going to ban pollution full stop? Cars, trains, planes, power stations, coal fires, wood fires, all carcinogens, all the time.

Any parent that takes their child, and traps it in a pollution spewing car, on a road full of other carcinogen machines is evil as far as I am concerned.

Sorry. It is just some pollution that is evil. Fine.

Obnoxious , self-righteous, whining little fucks. My biggest fear is that if I quit smoking, I'll become on of you...Don't take that wrong. I have something to tell you non-smokers that I know for a fact that you don't know, and I feel it's my duty to pass on information at all times. Ready?.......Non-smokers die every day...Enjoy your evening. See, I know that you entertain this eternal life fantasy because you've chosen not to smoke, but let me be the 1st to POP that bubble and bring you hurtling back to reality....You're dead too.

 

[v14]

multi quote button abuse is far worse than inconsiderate smoking in my opinion.

please be a considerate quoter.

 

[Captin]

Whilst I dont agree with a ban on smoking any more than I would agree a ban on drinking.

But I do think that any rational intelligent would not do something that may hard A) themselves or B) others including their own family.

It's not like it hasn't been proven time and time again that smoking is bad for the smoker and those around smoker.

I don't and have never smoked, being intelligent enough at a young age to know that it was bad for me, and being strong enough not to bow to peer pressure or any other kind of pressure.

At the same time I don't go round preaching. If you want to kill yourself and your kids with your bad habit, so be it.

As for banning pollution, yes that it a good idea. But we, as individuals, have far less control of banning a power station or cars than we have of banning ourselves from doing something only ourselves have control of.

 

[mozr]

You could stop driving a car, just as you can stop smoking.

Stop driving cars, you evil polluters!

multi quote button

I am aware of the facility. Please go on.

abuse

I hate abuse.

is far worse than inconsiderate smoking in my opinion.

I agree.

please

Thank you for being polite.

be a considerate quoter.

Will do.

 

[hoppy]

I dont smoke in pubs or public buildings or in front of kids.
I have a spare room with ma pc and i smoke in that room.
If im outside and there are people near me then i will put my ciggie out.
If they want me to do more than that then they can take a run and jump...

 

[señor ding dong]

Outstanding in what respect? The implication is that it is something that needed to be addressed because of a supposed moral infraction. I posit that it was and is not.

I posit otherwise.

If you are going to force people to behave in a particular way, I believe you should have the intelligence to understand philosophical concepts of liberty, and the public/private dialectic. I do not believe most politicians fully grasp the enormity of making something illegal.

Perhaps they don't, but that hardly means everything they've ever made illegal was a mistake. Either way, I've given the smoking ban considerable thought and concluded that it's justified and sensible.

Ex smoker are we?

Ex-passive smoker.

To an extent. I see clearly your allegiances (we have had this conversation before). I feel as though you would be happy living in a society completely reliant upon the state.

Not at all. I generally take the view that the state gets more things wrong than it gets right, and that it's a necessary evil, that should ideally be kept as small as possible.

Violence? Well Senor, I never knew you had it in you.

It's not violent.

You could certainly try.

Been there, done that, as the kids say. They still say that, right?

Neither do you, as that would be committing a crime now wouldn't it?

I don't think so.

Good point. So when are we going to ban pollution full stop? Cars, trains, planes, power stations, coal fires, wood fires, all carcinogens, all the time.

I don't know the exact timetable, but there's clearly a movement towards greener energy and less harmful emissions. I don't know that anyone is working on a "green" cigarette.

Any parent that takes their child, and traps it in a pollution spewing car, on a road full of other carcinogen machines is evil as far as I am concerned.

Sorry. It is just some pollution that is evil. Fine.

We're all slowly dying one way or another. In fact, it's been said that "time is the fire in which we burn", but we obviously need regulations on how much fuel someone can be allowed to throw on another person's fire. If taking your children on a car trip makes them cough and wheeze from the pollution, then that's clearly a problem that needs to be addressed.

I dont smoke in pubs or public buildings or in front of kids.
I have a spare room with ma pc and i smoke in that room.
If im outside and there are people near me then i will put my ciggie out.
If they want me to do more than that then they can take a run and jump...

If all smokers were as considerate and sensible as that, there would be no need for a ban.

 

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the first few words say it all lol

 

[mozr]

Can you imagine a member of the BNP smoking near a child?

OMG!

 

[jemflux]

The first thing I said when they banned smoking in Ireland was, if they can get away with stopping a man (or woman of course) having a smoke with his pint then they can get away with anything. I was right, now they are after your pint. Whats next I wonder? It seems that at last the meek have inherited the Earth and are making a right Bollox of it.

 

[phawk754]

Okay let's take this to an unlikely outcome,all of the uk stops smoking tomorrow

But wait lets just not stop with smoking, let's ban alcohol can you imagine how much this must cost and the health benefits would be great

car accidents, fights, alcohol poisoning, liver disease, police time, court time in dealing with the drinking fallout


As we are now going down this road why not ban fast food you can just imagine how bad this stuff is for your health


oh god know you would like to drive to work think of the pollution your car is given out and just think how much healthier
you would be if you run to work, that would leave the roads free for all the politicians to drive to work and think
of more rules to help us common people to live better and healthier lives


I have not looked but I am pretty sure that tax on smoking would more than cover the cost to the health service and then leave bucket loads of money for the politicians so they can have a salary increase

 

[Dazza]

**Dazza sits back, lights up a B&H, and enjoys the thread from the beginning**

brb.

 

[señor ding dong]

... But wait lets just not stop with smoking, let's ban alcohol can you imagine how much this must cost and the health benefits would be great

Different issue. This particular recommendation is aimed at keeping people from harming others, specifically children. We already have laws intended to reduce the likelihood of you harming others as a result of drinking. Do you also find it objectionable that you can't down a bottle of whichever moonshine takes your fancy and pretend the M1 is the Nurburgring?

 

[NoodlesJoe]

im sick of people telling us what we can do and cant...it this not a free world we live in? NO.

i smoke were and when i want...even in airports, on the school bus and in the gym, if ya dont like it then move away lol

i think they should ban drinking before smoking cos that does more harm than smoking does to yaself and others IE drink driving/fights in pubs in the house in the street anywere really, but do ya see people killing people smoking? NO.
ale is an agressive drug...nicotine is not.
nor is weed may i add:banana:

 

[v14]

Different issue. This particular recommendation is aimed at keeping people from harming others, specifically children.

You'd think then they'd have banned smoking in a car with kids first then really.

I've not been allowed to legally smoke in my own van for 3 years now, even though it's only ever used by me for business and never carries any passengers.

Yet in those 3 years when i was denied a smoke in my own van on my own I could take my kids out in my car and smoke my lungs out.

 

[señor ding dong]

im sick of people telling us what we can do and cant...it this not a free world we live in? NO.

The freedom argument is nonsensical, unless you object to all laws.

... I've not been allowed to legally smoke in my own van for 3 years now, even though it's only ever used by me for business and never carries any passengers.

Do you mean it's currently illegal by English law to smoke in your own car?

 

[NoodlesJoe]

The freedom argument is nonsensical, unless you object to all laws.

Do you mean it's currently illegal by English law to smoke in your own car?

i belive if its a company work van/car ya not allowed to smoke in it been like that for a bit now.

 

[jaffa]

i belive if its a company work van/car ya not allowed to smoke in it been like that for a bit now.

Thats exactly what V14 meant, how idiotic is it that he cannot smoke in his works van when he is the ONLY person in it, yet he is free to smoke in his car if his kids or anyone else is in it.

I am a smoker, I do not smoke at work...even in smoking areas, I do not smoke in my house because it stinks the place out, I do not smoke in the club because I am not allowed but I do smoke outside in my back garden when there is no one else there or if friends that smoke are at my house who also smoke.

I will not allow them to take that liberty from me, its my choice and I am not doing anyone but myself harm.