Celtic FC Thread

Would it not be a breath of fresh air in this saga if all the good, decent Rangers fans got together and spoke as one, not through trusts, assembly and any of the old groups. Would it not be great if they gave a clear message, we will not be part of this Rangers team, we are starting a new team from scratch and will apply to join division 3. The fans could find a ground / ground share and create a new all inclusive Rangers team that could be proud of itself and its history.

The club would have a mission statement making it clear that the fans who supported the old clubs flawed ideology would not be welcome. A proud Scottish club for all.

imagine if Murray, Green, Whyte, D&P and co found out they were stuck with assets that nobody wanted. That would help bring this scripted pretence of confusion to an end.









now thats a good idea, i seen posted on another site.
 
i think dumb and dumber have made a massive error going to the court of session, to get the ban lifted.

Uefa do not like clubs challenging their local football associations in court. i feel this is going to blow up in their face, and Uefa will be forced to step in and sort this sorry mess out
 
The Juninho EBT was setup in Apil, Juninho left Celtic on the 5th April. The EBT was setup to get rid of him, via a golden hand shake. The EBT was not part of his playing contract at celtic, and was not used to top up his wages. Unlike what was happening over at Ibrokes. He did not play any matches after the EBT was setup, so his registration was valid, again unlike what was happening at ibrokes.

Celtic then realised that they could be subject to a claim from HMRC in 2008, and contacted them and paid the outstanding tax owed on the ebt.

So this is a non starter of a story, nothing to see hear .............. move along
 
Shhhh mate, it makes them feel better.

As I said the other day, IF Celtic did anything illegal then we should be investigated and punished.

Unlike the 'people', Celtic fans don't think their club is above the law.
 
BBC ON THIS DAY | 25 | 1967: Celtic win European Cup

1967: Celtic win European Cup

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Celtic has become the first British team to win the European Cup, beating favourites Internazionale Milan 2-1.An estimated crowd of 70,000 crammed into the Portuguese National Stadium in Lisbon to witness the Glasgow side lift the greatest prize in club football.


Milan have been champions of Europe three times in the past four years and this was only their second defeat in continental competition in that time.


As the final whistle blew, euphoric Celtic fans poured onto the pitch to celebrate their team's victory, many whooping with joy and waving banners.


Blistering attack


The manager, Jock Stein, said: "There is not a prouder man on God's Earth than me at this moment. Winning was important, but it was the way that we won that has filled me with satisfaction.


"We did it by playing football; pure, beautiful, inventive football. There was not a negative thought in our heads."
According to the Celtic players, Stein told his players to "go out and enjoy themselves" at the start of the match.


But it could all have turned out very differently. Within minutes of kick-off defender Jim Craig felled Renato Cappellini and Alessandro Mazolla netted the resulting penalty.


Milan held onto their early lead until half-time. But shortly after the break Celtic full-back Tommy Gemmel scored the equaliser
The goal gave Celtic the inspiration the players needed. They continued to attack the Italian goal until Gemmel again stormed up the left wing, passed back to Bobby Murdoch who sent a powerful shot towards the goal which was deflected into the net by Stevie Chalmers to give the Glasgow side a 2-1 lead.


The celebrations began immediately and although the Portuguese police feared the crowd would get out of control, there was no hooliganism.
But the chaos inside the stadium meant that the Celtic players could not be presented with the trophy on the pitch.
Instead club captain Billy McNeill had to be ushered round the outside of the stadium under armed escort. He then climbed the stairs to the presentation podium where he finally held the trophy aloft to enormous cheers from the crowd.


Jubilant fans danced in the streets of Glasgow after hearing of their club's 2-1 win.


The team is expected to fly into Abbotsinch Airport in Glasgow tomorrow night, from where they will drive to Celtic Park for a heros' welcome from fans.
 
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Now we have a certain unbiased moderator over in the Rangers thread making a joke of criminal pedophile activity.

Sexual activity with kids is a source of humour it appears.

Absolute disgrace.
 
ALLY McCOIST has assured Rangers fans: I STILL don’t do walking away.
Former Ger Mark Hateley claimed his pal could QUIT after a transfer ban was slapped on the club.

But McCoist insists that thought has NEVER entered his head — and that he’s committed to helping haul Gers back from the brink.

Aye because we'd all laugh like fook at him after his big speech. :)

Kinda reminds me of a religious bigot that we have for a moderator.

RID DIGITALWORLDZ OF SECTARIAN BIGOTS
 
i cant believe how much the rangers fans are celebrating their win at the court of session. dont any of you get it, the situation has just been made a hell of a lot worse. the only option for the sfa panel now is to kick rangers out of the league, so i fail to see what the celebrations are about.

and now that fifa/uefa have sent a warning to the sfa, then its inevitable that rangers are going to get hit with maximum penaltys. look at the sion situation last year when celtic were readmitted to the uefa cup, to see how serious this situation has become.

im dumb founded that the rangers support did not protest to duff and duffer to pull out of the court case. i think that they went to court knowing that uefa/fifa would force the sfa to pull the plug on them. so that they can blame the sfa for killing them, as the club has done nothing but try to blame other people for their current situation, so its not that surprising.

for all you rangers fans out there, who are on there way out to celebrate etc....... then this is a day that you all will never forget....... all for the wrong reasons. .......... most of you just havent realised it yet
 
cheers surfbum, im assuming you agree then. its a pity that more of your fans dont get it.
 
Day Zero

So much has happened today it’s difficult to know where exactly to start.

Firstly, the start of the trickle of the so called “Nuclear” material into the atmosphere. Like from Chernobyl, the material is there but it’s taking time to blow over in our general direction. The snippet, as provided by the reputable “barcabhoy” on the RTC blog was that, in spite of all the speculation that has gone on these past couple of days, the information he has is simply regarding the payment to Graeme Souness. He claims that Souness was actually paid a sum far in excess of the £30,000 mentioned in Mark Daly’s documentary. While there is no more detail on that, we do know that, in his time at Newcastle/Blackburn, Souness bought Lorenzo Amoruso, Jean Alain Boumsong, Barry Ferguson and Tugay, with players going the other way. The £30k is from the Tugay deal only (the first to have gone through). This seems to suggest that the payments to Souness were not via EBTs and through some other method of payment we are hitherto unaware of. But if £30k is Souness’ payment for a fee of £1.3m, his other dealings totalled over £15.5m. If the alleged payments were directly proportional to the fee paid, we are talking about a sum well in excess of £350k. Even if not, Souness clearly has some questions to answer regarding exactly what, if anything, he received from Rangers. Yes, it may kill his punditry career, but no more so than denial and the facts coming out anyway.

Secondly came the CVA proposal. I could give this a lot of coverage, but it is probably only deserving of a mention as derisory as the offer itself. The CVA is built on future revenues (to 2020) and on transfer fees not yet paid (£3.5m) yet offers mere pennies in the pound, loads the club from (re)birth with £8.5m debt, values future transfer fees of players contracted at £5m (for the whole team, mind you) which is so far below market value you wonder what exactly they are expecting to sell players for, appears to value assets such as Ibrox and Murray Park (which were valued at the start of admin at over £100m) at £5.5m (should a CVA fail, that would be the price the Green Knights have to pay for them) and rates HMRC as a creditor with less owed than Ticketus (Big Tax Case is just a TBA).

All I can say is this. It seems to me that Duff & Phelps made the mistake of grossly overvaluing RFC (IA)’s assets at the start of admin and, after this scared off buyers, who baulked at the prospect of getting assets that were overvalued, the reaction has been to grossly undervalue them. The entire Rangers first team, Ibrox and Murray Park worth £10.5m between them? That’s a massive undervaluation which would actually make, if liquidated, Ibrox and Murray Park probably worth more knocked down and built on than as a footballing concern which, considering his history at Sheffield United, is potentially Charles Green’s Wet Dream. To say a CVA will fail would also be an undervaluation of the circumstances. It will be thrashed, routed, embarrassed and humiliated. It is the financial equivalent of the Romans at Cannae.

Speaking of ancient battles, a Phyrric victory was won at the court of session today as Rangers got them to agree that the 12 month transfer ban that was imposed was not lawful.

So far, so good. So why so Phyrric? They wanted it overturned and thrown out altogether. Instead, it was referred back to the SFA to adjudicate a punishment that would actually be lawful. At the same time, FIFA announced that they were “monitoring the situation closely”, which appears to be doublespeak for “Muck this up, SFA, and we’ll be on you”.

What then, can the SFA do? They can a) accept the ruling and leave punishment as fines only, b) suspend Rangers from the Scottish Cup for a period of time or c) Terminate their membership.

Do a) and FIFA will threaten to kick Scotland out of International competition and UEFA will ban Scottish Clubs from Europe, causing outrage.

Do b) and FIFA will threaten to kick Scotland out of International competition and UEFA will ban Scottish clubs from Europe, causing outrage.

Do c) and, while UEFA and FIFA will be happy, Rangers fans will probably burn Hampden to the ground…causing outrage.

The SFA, in their judgement on the previous ruling, stated they felt that just fines was too lenient, a Scottish Cup ban was inappropriate (given the circumstances) and termination of membership was too severe. The question is, with FIFA seemingly furious at Rangers for going to court, what is the middle path? The fines are already as large as they possibly could be so the options are further limited. There is little chance that everyone can be placated. The options are limited to two - Termination of membership or an extended ban from the Scottish Cup with termination as a suspended sentence for a length of time alongside it.

There isn’t even precedent for this. I’ve seen FC Sion mentioned as a possible precursor for what punishment may be applied. FC Sion’s misdeeds aren’t even in the same universe as Rangers’. FC Sion fielded ineligible players and were deducted 36 points (and, in spite of that, weren’t relegated) for fielding ineligible players and daring to take UEFA to court. We can look to Swiss football also for our other example - Neuchatel Xamax. Neuchatel had “financial irregularities” (forging of financial documents, see not paying tax for RFC) which resulted in bankruptcy (see Admin for RFC) leading to the revocation of their licence to play football. If you add those cases together, you get to the stage where the misdeeds are getting close to equal of those Rangers have been accused of. To mix terms, it is both virgin territory and scorched earth - the SFA haven’t been in this position before, and the position is poisoned no matter what they do.

So what do they do? In my opinion, expulsion is the only option that will satisfy FIFA. Should Rangers fans then choose to vent hatred upon the Scotland team, it’s employees and premises, well, let them. All that proves is the decision was the correct one. At the end of the day, while we all like to think football is still a game by the fans for the fans, it isn’t. If FIFA require a pound of flesh to be placated (and it is hardly likely they would be satisfied with just Rangers being punished, they will want SFA reform and resignations) then, for the good of the game in Scotland, they have to be placated. If they are not, the entire independence of football in Scotland is at risk.

On a day where Celtic’s brand was announced to be playing Real Madrid in the USA this summer (showing that, commercially, they are in the same circles), Rangers brand has written its own death warrant. Today is Day Zero of the end of Rangers football club, with the clock ticking closer towards the SFA making a judgement which will surely result in their immediate and permanent demise.


The Football Life • Day Zero
 
cheers surfbum, im assuming you agree then. its a pity that more of your fans dont get it.

i take that back, after reading your posts in the ragers thread. no idea why you clicked the like button. your head seems to be buried as deep in the sand as the rest of "ra'peepil"

when the past and present actions by rangers are having a detrimental effect on all of scottish football, then all posts regarding rangers in this thread are relevant. they seem determined to drag everybody over the edge with them.

anybody reading the rangers thread would think that there is no issue here, and that everything will be fine. when in reality, it is far from the truth.
its easy being in denial, its a lot more difficult to face the truth.

so i will keep posting in here with scottish football related posts. i cant post them in the rangers thread, so here is the only option.

sufbum (or any of the other peepil) would you care to post a story in the rangers thread about how they have failed to pay any taxes since they went into administration (since duff and duffer took over)?? some how, i dont think we will see that thread. never mind i will post it in here tomorrow for you to read.
 
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Celtic first-team coach Alan Thompson has been dismissed by the club, according to his lawyer.

The former midfielder joined Celtic in June 2010, when he was appointed by manager Neil Lennon alongside assistant boss Johan Mjallby following the sacking of Tony Mowbray.

Thompson is a former Celtic player and a former team-mate of Lennon's.

His lawyer, Margaret Gribbon, of Glasgow-based Bridge Litigation, said in a statement: "I can confirm that I have been instructed to act on behalf of Alan Thompson following his dismissal by Celtic FC.

"Alan was informed of the decision to terminate his employment with immediate effect in a telephone conversation with the club manager Neil Lennon."

Thompson played for the Glasgow club between 2000 and 2007, winning four Scottish Premier League titles and three Scottish Cups.

Nobody from Celtic was immediately available to comment.

Thompson contract terminated | Sky Sports
 
well, the inevitable has finally happened. been along time getting here, but there was only ever going to be one outcome in all of this.

and remember, the rangers of the last 140yrs is now officially gone. no matter what way you dress it up, its not just a new company, ITS A NEW CLUB. 0 history and 0 trophies, and very possible that they wont be playing football at all next year. not in any league in scotland
 
pish mate did any other new co start again ? leeds unt never all there history still there just keep thinking that yous will wake up to the truth lol

ps hope this post dont get deleted , its good to talk lol

ok, i will retract that statement. i dont really know how these things work. so we can just sitback and see what emerges from the rubble

i dont think this whole thing is over though. im pretty sure that craig whyte is going to raise his head in the next few days, and put a block on any sale of ibrox etc. but i think that this mess will be getting dragged through the courts for a while, meaning no football for new rangers in scotland next season. certainly not at ibrox anyway.

ps... u aint supposed to post in here
 
Rangers will need permission from other clubs to play in the SPL and be banned from Europe for three years after HMRC revealed it would reject a Company Voluntary Arrangement.

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Bet on Football - Get £25 Free The customs body, which is owed £21 million in unpaid VAT and PAYE from the era of former owner Craig Whyte, said it will vote against a pence-in-the-pound offer which would see creditors receive a fraction of monies owed.

That means the Ibrox club, formed in 1899, will be liquidated and a new company formed in its place.

This ‘newco’ switch sees all assets sold to the new company for £5.5m. A CVA would have been funded by an £8.5m loan from the consortium taking over the club, which is led by Charles Green.

Gers administrators Duff and Phelps revealed the news in the following statement:

"We have been informed by HMRC they will not support the proposal for a Company Voluntary Arrangement at the meeting of creditors on Thursday, June 14,” it read.

“As a result of this decision, the Sale and Purchase Agreement in place with the consortium led by Charles Green will take effect and Rangers Football Club will continue within a new company structure.

"HMRC has taken the view that the public interest will be better served with the liquidation of The Rangers Football Club plc as a corporate entity. The Club will continue to operate as it has always done but within a new company structure.

“HMRC consider that the decision will enable a liquidator to instigate a wider investigation into all of the financial affairs and management of the Club in recent years and to bring to task those they believe are responsible for its collapse.

"Furthermore, HMRC believes there will be an enhanced recovery of funds for creditors by pursuing those individuals who they believe are responsible.

”The consequence of the rejection of a CVA outcome is that sanctions will be applied to the Club by UEFA and that the Club will not be able to participate in Europe for three years and the new company will need the consent of the other SPL clubs to the transfer of the share in the SPL, in order for Rangers to continue playing in the SPL.

"We would like to thank the staff and supporters at Rangers for their great determination and professionalism during a very difficult period for the club. While the club will continue to face difficulties in the short term, it will survive and continue to play at Ibrox.”

Green said he was "hugely disappointed" by the development, adding: "Frankly, I do not see what benefit will be achieved by this decision. My consortium's offer for a CVA amounted to a total of £8.5m. Now that we will have to complete the purchase via the formation of a newco, the purchase price and therefore the amount available to creditors will be £5.5m.

"I can understand HMRC deciding that football clubs which do not pay their taxes need to be punished, but by effectively banning Rangers from Europe for three years all that will happen is that there will be less revenue generated by the club and consequently less money paid over to the taxman."

The Glasgow club is awaiting the outcome of the First Tier Tribunal in a tax case examining the use of an employee benefits trust to pay players and staff between 2001 and 2010. If lost, it could cost them up to £75m.

Rangers are also awaiting the outcome of a £3m tax case related to a scheme which the club used to pay players Tore Andre Flo and Ronald De Boer between 2000 and 2003.
 
What happens to the club's history?

The Rangers Football Club PLC is a public limited company registered in Scotland (company number: SC004276) and was incorporated on 27 May 1899. When the current company is officially liquidated, all of its corporate business history will come to an end.

When this happened to Airdrieonians in 2002, all of the trophies, titles and records associated with the club discontinued - a new club, Airdrie United FC took over. Airdieonians' official history ended in 2002, then Airdrie United's took over.

The answer lies principally in the eye of the beholder - some supporters will view the new Rangers as the same Rangers, while others will feel the old Rangers no longer exist.

BBC Sport - Rangers in liquidation Q&A
 
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