I've seen quite a few isp,s offering up to 8 meg downloads/uploads but what i want to know is ,apart from virgin what can anyone reasonably expect to get from a BT phone line .I.E can it be possible to obtain 10/12/meg or does it mean that if you are near to their hub that you could possibly get 8 meg and what is the maximum that you could actually get from a standard BT phone line ?