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angryant

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Hi All,

Just had an offer of a 3 pointer and £100 fixed penalty for speeding.
Was overtaking at the time on a three lane section of road, overtaking lane, with a 60mph limit.
Clocked at 71mph.
Thoughts please as I assumed 70 was acceptable when overtaking?
It was a mobile camera van.

Thanks
Ian
 

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Hi All,

Just had an offer of a 3 pointer and £100 fixed penalty for speeding.
Was overtaking at the time on a three lane section of road, overtaking lane, with a 60mph limit.
Clocked at 71mph.

Thoughts please as I assumed 70 was acceptable when overtaking?
It was a mobile camera van.

Thanks
Ian
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IANB

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Normally limit Plus 10% plus 3mph so anything over 69mph your done.
 

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It's the luck of the draw, each Police force is different, some forces have introduced Zero tolerance on motorways

"National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) suggests police forces don’t prosecute until drivers exceed a margin of error of 10 per cent of the speed limit to take into account driver concentration, plus 2mph for speedometer error.This means that most police forces will not prosecute until you’re driving at more than 46mph in a 40mph zone, for example, or 79mph in a 70mph zone. However, it should be noted that the guidance is exactly that, and that the decision over whether to give a driver a speeding ticket or not is entirely at the discretion of individual police forces and officers."

Source - The truth about speeding fines

It's a tough one for me, I think there should be stricter rules in controlled zones of 30/40 and near Schools and housing, but I think the motorways should be raised to 80mph

Most speed limits were originally introduced to save fuel, not for safety
 

angryant

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It's the luck of the draw, each Police force is different, some forces have introduced Zero tolerance on motorways

"National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) suggests police forces don’t prosecute until drivers exceed a margin of error of 10 per cent of the speed limit to take into account driver concentration, plus 2mph for speedometer error.This means that most police forces will not prosecute until you’re driving at more than 46mph in a 40mph zone, for example, or 79mph in a 70mph zone. However, it should be noted that the guidance is exactly that, and that the decision over whether to give a driver a speeding ticket or not is entirely at the discretion of individual police forces and officers."

Source - The truth about speeding fines

It's a tough one for me, I think there should be stricter rules in controlled zones of 30/40 and near Schools and housing, but I think the motorways should be raised to 80mph

Most speed limits were originally introduced to save fuel, not for safety
Interesting article.
Never been offered a speed awareness course.
Got the standard 3 points and £100 fine though.
Which was expected.

In the article it states that most safety partnership camera vans park up at accident black spots.
This one was at the end of the overtaking lane which previously was a black spot.
The reason the overtaking lane was put in place.

I totally agree with your opinion on 30 and 40 mph areas. These are where they should be focusing their attention as it is all to easy for someone to step out in front of a vehicle giving the driver little or no time to react even when driving within the limit.
Personally I never go anywhere near the speed limits in built up areas or where there's pedestrians.
But yes on the open roads with good visibility I do still exceed the speed limit when overtaking.
Not as much as before though but to overtake someone driving at 50 and not exceed 60 you need a lot of road to complete the manoeuvre.
 

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I got caught on a camera doing 34 in a 30 area, I believe that its now just limit plus 3 miles the 10% is gone
unless my maths has gone to rat shit, 30 + 10% is 33..... So 34 is greater than 10%.
 

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All this talk of 3 miles plus 10% means diddly dont speed full stop if you do and get caught dont bitch about it, Most people drive for a living so doing 30mph will still get you from A-B but without a fine is it really worth it
 

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All this talk of 3 miles plus 10% means diddly dont speed full stop if you do and get caught dont bitch about it, Most people drive for a living so doing 30mph will still get you from A-B but without a fine is it really worth it
I agree with 20 and 30 zones in built up areas but the not so smart motorways are just money makers and are in no way there for safety . The so called smart motorway ones are on for no reason at all times of day. I have been through them on a night and gone 60 then to 50 then to 40 then to 30 to 20 on a motorway with 0 other road users for absolutely nothing. This has happened to me on many occasions .

Built up areas, yes they should have loads , motorways and most dual carriage ways even, are just for money.

It does irk me but if you do the crime then you have to do the fine unfortunately.

In London I got caught buy a camera in a box junction and paid an £80 for my trouble . I wasn't in the junction for the fun of it there was a lorry in front of my and the traffic stopped and I was stuck. I feel that one was harsh.
 

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I always thought it was 10% never heard of the +3 on top though.

Can't believe what they have done near Birmingham now with the average speed cameras on a 30 road lol, I think everyone speeds it's just another money making scandal from the government, if they don't already get enough from us in car tax and petrol tax, they can't even fix the roads already as it is!
 

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I always thought it was 10% never heard of the +3 on top though.

Can't believe what they have done near Birmingham now with the average speed cameras on a 30 road lol, I think everyone speeds it's just another money making scandal from the government, if they don't already get enough from us in car tax and petrol tax, they can't even fix the roads already as it is!

Try that argument with someone who has had a loved one killed or injured by a speed related accident :(
 

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Try that argument with someone who has had a loved one killed or injured by a speed related accident :(
I do think it's wrong to speed though I'm with you on that one, the main thing you are taught when having lessons is to be observant and many drivers don't do it. I see a lot of young drivers around and they never think of their actions before they do them (I had one undertake me on a 40 dual carriageway a few weeks ago and there was no way he was doing 10% above either, must have swerved in and out of lanes several times.)

If they're in that much of a rush to get somewhere they should set out 10 mins earlier :thumbsup:
 

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I do think it's wrong to speed though I'm with you on that one, the main thing you are taught when having lessons is to be observant and many drivers don't do it. I see a lot of young drivers around and they never think of their actions before they do them (I had one undertake me on a 40 dual carriageway a few weeks ago and there was no way he was doing 10% above either, must have swerved in and out of lanes several times.)

If they're in that much of a rush to get somewhere they should set out 10 mins earlier :thumbsup:
Contradicting yourself lol and while I'm at it did you read the pm I sent you ;)
 

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I'm with everyone that's saying you do the crime, you have to be ready to do the time.

All too often do people cry wolf when they're caught red handed. Limits are there for everyone to abide by, not a guideline for a chosen few. If you can't perform the manoeuvre safely, which includes staying within the limit, then you shouldn't be performing the manoeuvre at all.

I do think traffic management needs to be addressed in this country and laws enforced for these more strictly e.g. middle-lane hoggers, the 40mph club, lane hoggers in the overtaking lanes etc. From my experience it's usually middle-aged drivers and the older generation that cause these frustrations for other drivers. The ones who have taken much more lenient tests, haven't taken theory tests and hazard perception tests and have their own opinions on the highway code.

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