New Home Defence Bill in Ireland

[wiz569]

Its about time too


New law will allow lethal force in defence of property

Monday, July 19, 2010 - 04:18 PM

New legislation has been published that will allow householders to use lethal force when defending themselves or their properties.

The Criminal Law Bill allows a tenant, homeowner or visitor to stand their ground if under attack in a home.

The Bill also states that reasonable force can result in the death of the intruder in certain circumstances.

Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern said much of the Bill is a restatement of the law that has applied since 2006, but it does allow a person stand their ground when confronted by an intruder, meaning there is no longer a requirement to retreat.

The Bill - which is to be law by Christmas - will also remove the right of an intruder to sue a home-owner if they are injured on their property.

New law will allow lethal force in defence of property | Irish Examiner

 

[Evastar]

Hopefully it might reduce the incidence of burgalaries. It's always been ridiculous that an intruder could sue for damage.

 

[P33 RRV]

now if they just do that for here i will sleep a bit better :-(

 

[Thommo]

law in the uk or not thats always been the law in my house, ive got stuff just laying about randomly for if the occasion takes place.

my house my saftey and family saftey comes first, they'll need more than gods help if they venture into my property and thats not tinternet keyboard warrior talk.

its proven law doesnt protect you or your family, law is words, the law of the land wont protect you from the actions of others.

in my book the law only applies to those who abide by the law, they dont abide by it then all bets are off.

 

[phawk754]

In my opinion this new law does not go far enough, if anyone enters your home illegally ,the home owner should have the full protection of the law to do what ever he wants

 

[oneman]

AFAIK in England you have always been allowed to use 'reasonable and proportional' force and you may use an object that is 'laying to hand'. Of course if you THINK they are carrying a knife then you can respond appropriately.

If you remember a while back, there was a guy who killed a undercover cop that was hiding in his garden. Got off because of this law.

 

[TheCheekyMonkey]

AFAIK in England you have always been allowed to use 'reasonable and proportional' force and you may use an object that is 'laying to hand'. Of course if you THINK they are carrying a knife then you can respond appropriately.

If you remember a while back, there was a guy who killed a undercover cop that was hiding in his garden. Got off because of this law.

was years ago and it was kenny noye. End of the day, and again no keyboard talk, the last thing on my mind is "am i gonna get done for this" whilst beating the shiit out of whoever it is. my house, my property, simple as.

 

[stevie1ball]

The question is at the moment you are only covered if the intruder is upstairs and not on the ground floor, does this new law cover you anywhere in your property or surrounding boundary.

I wouldn't care where they were if on my property an Englishman's home is his Castle.

 

[Clinkers]

Hopefully it might reduce the incidence of burgalaries. It's always been ridiculous that an intruder could sue for damage.

Yeah. I've pretty much always had a 9 iron under the bed in case some scumbag breaks in and I hear the cnut, but them being able to sue if he falls and beans himself on the fireplace is just taking the piss. Don't think it will make too much difference to amount of burlaries but at least they can't sue me if there's nothing to rob!

 

[Clinkers]

The question is at the moment you are only covered if the intruder is upstairs and not on the ground floor, does this new law cover you anywhere in your property or surrounding boundary.

I wouldn't care where they were if on my property an Englishman's home is his Castle.

I think thats one of those urban myths, and it's not true even in most states in the US? Irish law said that the homeowner should retreat, rather than confront someone who broke in to their home. Thats gone now so in Ireland you can now (well, soon) legally 1)Have a pop at some little toerag who breaks in to your house and 2) Not have to worry about being sued if he is injured while in your house.

I don't know if its true but heard stories abiut little shits trying to break in, falling through thhe window and cutting/breaking limbs, then claiming on the houseowners insurance cos they were liable for the scumbags injury!

 

[BIG-HOL]

law in the uk or not thats always been the law in my house, ive got stuff just laying about randomly for if the occasion takes place.

my house my saftey and family saftey comes first, they'll need more than gods help if they venture into my property and thats not tinternet keyboard warrior talk.

its proven law doesnt protect you or your family, law is words, the law of the land wont protect you from the actions of others.

in my book the law only applies to those who abide by the law, they dont abide by it then all bets are off.

well said mate, my thoughts exactly!!!!!

hope england take this outlook too because an intruder shouldnt be able to sue for anything, they wouldn't get back out my house like if i caught someone, they'd be in the garage with the blow torch!!!!!

 

[oneman]

well said mate, my thoughts exactly!!!!!

hope england take this outlook too because an intruder shouldnt be able to sue for anything, they wouldn't get back out my house like if i caught someone, they'd be in the garage with the blow torch!!!!!

AFAIK, its urban myth that a intruder has successfully sued a homeowner as a result of a break in in the UK. What homeowners are not allowed to do is set traps (as the guy who wired his cars door handle to electric fence found out) for burglers.

 

[Clinkers]

AFAIK, its urban myth that a intruder has successfully sued a homeowner as a result of a break in in the UK. What homeowners are not allowed to do is set traps (as the guy who wired his cars door handle to electric fence found out) for burglers.

Yeah, sounds like it's too stupid to be true, I suppose. But now at least Irish homeowners know that they can't be sued for thumping the shit out of the little bastard who broke in.

From the Irish Independent
"It recognises the special status of the home and the right of people to defend it.

Mr Ahern stressed that the legislation would not provide carte blanche to householders to kill burglars. But he said reasonable force could, in certain circumstances, include killing the intruder with a licensed firearm or another weapon.

It will be up to a court or a jury to decide whether the use of force was reasonable.

In reaching a decision, the court will examine the circumstances in which the person or persons using the force believed themselves to be at the time.

The new Criminal Justice (Defence and the Dwelling) Bill 2010 states that it is immaterial whether this belief is justified, as long as it is honestly held.

The bill also makes it clear that there is no onus on the householder to retreat from the home if coming under attack."

From reading this, can anybody tell me what is "aggravated burglary"? Is it "Look at that big telly, much better than mine, why should he have it and not me"?

 

[miffew]

i have always said that i would do time for anyone trying to put my family in harms way . As thommohawk said i also have a few tools lying around . They ll walk in and get carried out simple as . Its about time the goverment has taken the right side for once.

but these are my veiws

 

[TheCheekyMonkey]

a friend had moved into a house a few years back, in the middle of the night he heard banging, came down stairs and some fookers trying to break in through his back yard door (lean too) my mate tole me he had a hammer in his hand and hes telling this prick he`s gonna do him in with it, whilst all this is going on his missus is on phone to police next to him, the guys still trying to break in shouting at my mate, and all the while the police are saying to his missus, "if your fella hits him its assault" lol.

needless to say the phone was put down whilst some screaming went on.

fookin stupid.

 

[miffew]

assult or not i would of smashed the galss my side and kaned the t**t with the hammer ( fcuking cheek of people these day a few years ago if seen or shouted at somone trying to breakin into a car or house they would run off , not the fcukers know they are protected more that the victims . and stand there ground . finger crossed this all of uk an ireland .