Moteck H180 advice needed.

[cappuccino99]

cheers again for the info, i did check e*** yesterday and there's a guy selling a 1.2m setup with the 1224 that he bought from sss, he wants £1000 ??

That one does have an inclined actuator plus there's a 3" ground mount tripod and a 3" wall mount, Channel Master 1.2, feedhorn but I doubt you'd get £1000 for it all and the inclined actuator on the 1224 is in the wrong place, you have to drive to a satellite then move the inclined actuator, it works & you get used to it like that but it should really be on the dec angle not axis angle so you are always tracking the arc.

I spoke to sss about the h180 and they said they were unreliable and too small for the cm 1.2 hence why they stopped selling them. I really do prefer an H-H motor though due to the size.

regards

They most likely have improved them since SS first tested the early ones, I've seen them come through the worst storms and not missed a beat with CM 1.2s on them, as I say though the U bolts should be beefed up especially for bigger dishes (IMO).

I think it's up to you on that 36v HH being sold off, just not tried one, looks better with the CM brackets without that pole.

 

[BanjoXo71]

That one does have an inclined actuator plus there's a 3" ground mount tripod and a 3" wall mount, Channel Master 1.2, feedhorn but I doubt you'd get £1000 for it all and the inclined actuator on the 1224 is in the wrong place, you have to drive to a satellite then move the inclined actuator, it works & you get used to it like that but it should really be on the dec angle not axis angle so you are always tracking the arc.



They most likely have improved them since SS first tested the early ones, I've seen them come through the worst storms and not missed a beat with CM 1.2s on them, as I say though the U bolts should be beefed up especially for bigger dishes (IMO).

I think it's up to you on that 36v HH being sold off, just not tried one, looks better with the CM brackets without that pole.

I m glad you told me about the issues with the sss polar mount, dont need any headaches as you said, they told me that the moteck stop making these motors years ago but i wonder why The Sat Shop has over 20 in stock as i spoke to them on the phone, like you say the designed may have been improved over time. So that being said with the raven 1.2m dish, the H180 moteck, Raven feedhorn and inverto twin lnb and the 3" pole with wall bracket, this will complete my dish setup? I know i will need a v-box aswell.

regards

 

[digi247]

Just to let you Know the Motek H180 was designed to sit on a 2" pole so you will have to adapt it to sit correctly, My opinion its just a Cheap Chinese imitation of the original 1224 and if you can find the official CM polar mount on the E of Bay cheap that would be a far better solution. Or better still buy SSS recon 1224 for £300 then you have the original and best H-H Motor

 

[cappuccino99]

I m glad you told me about the issues with the sss polar mount, dont need any headaches as you said,

I don't want to overstate the issues on SS or Gibi polarmounts, I install a lot of 36v gear & bigger dishes & have worked on all theses (except that 36v hh being sold off), so might have a more critical eye from a practical view point, with most 36v work though you usually have to do more 'intervening'.

they told me that the moteck stop making these motors years ago but i wonder why The Sat Shop has over 20 in stock as i spoke to them on the phone, like you say the designed may have been improved over time.

It wouldn't surprise me or it's been taken up more by the Russian market as I think I've only worked on one's that seem to be the Russian version & they do use more bigger dishes.

Anyone designing, making or selling 36v motor sat gear has seen the market move to smaller dishes and diseqc motors, there might be a 1000 diseqc motors sold for every one 36v motor now, the 36v bigger dish market is still there, it's just I'd say more specialised or elitist or it's for commercial use, I don't blame SS for their prices either, if you go 36v it costs more not just because everything is bigger but also they're not so mass produced compared to say a Triax 1.1 on a diseqc motor.

So that being said with the raven 1.2m dish, the H180 moteck, Raven feedhorn and inverto twin lnb and the 3" pole with wall bracket, this will complete my dish setup? I know i will need a v-box aswell.

regards

that would do it with a suitable wall for it to go on that can see the arc, obviously you need bits like good coax, connectors, wall anchors

 

[BanjoXo71]

I do have a south facing wall but i have a massive old cotton mill right in front of me which is build on an angle. 1 degree west is about 1 o'clock from looking out my window but on my last setup the triax dap911 wouldn't see 42 east so i am hoping that having the 1.2 with the feed horn i might be able to pick it up plus more, well that's my theory anyway. here is the ugly looking mill. I installed the wall bracket and dish and just got someone to align it for me.

 

[cappuccino99]

I do have a south facing wall but i have a massive old cotton mill right in front of me which is build on an angle. 1 degree west is about 1 o'clock from looking out my window but on my last setup the triax dap911 wouldn't see 42 east so i am hoping that having the 1.2 with the feed horn i might be able to pick it up plus more, well that's my theory anyway. here is the ugly looking mill. I installed the wall bracket and dish and just got someone to align it for me.

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I'd try using a small dish as high up as you can or in a better location to try to get past that mill if you are trying to extend your arc, it's not the usual solution to use a 1.2 for 42e but you'll see the difference on the weak satellites.

That looks like a sat-superstore A plate bracket & pole, I think they sell them for putting CM 1.2s on but I don't think they're stable enough with one of those A brackets. I sorted out a 1.2 CM on a badly installed H180 on one of those brackets, the bracket got in the way too.

The h180 will fit straight on a 3" o/d pole if it is 3" btw.

 

[BanjoXo71]

I'd try using a small dish as high up as you can or in a better location to try to get past that mill if you are trying to extend your arc, it's not the usual solution to use a 1.2 for 42e but you'll see the difference on the weak satellites.

That looks like a sat-superstore A plate bracket & pole, I think they sell them for putting CM 1.2s on but I don't think they're stable enough with one of those A brackets. I sorted out a 1.2 CM on a badly installed H180 on one of those brackets, the bracket got in the way too.

The h180 will fit straight on a 3" o/d pole if it is 3" btw.

My only other option would be placing it on the rear above the gutter on lets say a 2m/3m pole. I do have quite a steep angled roof though. The wall bracket was from sss (450mm standoff). If i did fit it on a 2/3m pole above the gutter would x2 300mm standoff be ok?

regards.

 

[cappuccino99]

My only other option would be placing it on the rear above the gutter on lets say a 2m/3m pole. I do have quite a steep angled roof though. The wall bracket was from sss (450mm standoff). If i did fit it on a 2/3m pole above the gutter would x2 300mm standoff be ok?

regards.

You have to do a good survey first to see if you can gain anything past the mill & clear the pitch, ridge and chimneys if there are any, going over the back of a roof, especially on a steep pitch is one of the harder installs to do and you need to clear the feed's sweep too but often it can mean you get a very big arc, clear big trees / buildings and often it hides the dish and brackets too. Stand offs are something you choose per job what suits best and how long a pole to use.

 

[mdt]

My only other option would be placing it on the rear above the gutter on lets say a 2m/3m pole. I do have quite a steep angled roof though. The wall bracket was from sss (450mm standoff). If i did fit it on a 2/3m pole above the gutter would x2 300mm standoff be ok?

regards.

the SSS brackets are a bad design imo as i was considering them myself but seeing as the U bolt is on the front and not side on there is no lateral ajustment so you will have to spacer behind the bracket as most walls are not 100% plumb. as stated a full site survey needs to be done to see exactly what size stand-off you would need ect and if carrying a 76mm pole it needs to be very heavy duty but if done properly it will last a lifetime(if the wall is in good shape and strong) id personally suggest you try and get yourself a second hand channel master polar mount and recondition it. blasting/painting,new bolts ect ect doest cost that much and it will save you a packet in the long run. a 18 inch superjack and polar mount should get you 90 degree,s minimum and even more if set up correctly. regards mdt

 

[BanjoXo71]

the SSS brackets are a bad design imo as i was considering them myself but seeing as the U bolt is on the front and not side on there is no lateral ajustment so you will have to spacer behind the bracket as most walls are not 100% plumb. as stated a full site survey needs to be done to see exactly what size stand-off you would need ect and if carrying a 76mm pole it needs to be very heavy duty but if done properly it will last a lifetime(if the wall is in good shape and strong) id personally suggest you try and get yourself a second hand channel master polar mount and recondition it. blasting/painting,new bolts ect ect doest cost that much and it will save you a packet in the long run. a 18 inch superjack and polar mount should get you 90 degree,s minimum and even more if set up correctly. regards mdt

Ive never had a survey done before and i wouldnt know who to contact, can you give me advice please, i live in Heywood, regards

 

[Rumpelstiltskin.]

Digi247 is not far from you I think and is a top installer.
PM him.

 

[BanjoXo71]

Digi247 is not far from you I think and is a top installer.
PM him.

thanks pal will do

 

[BanjoXo71]

That one does have an inclined actuator plus there's a 3" ground mount tripod and a 3" wall mount, Channel Master 1.2, feedhorn but I doubt you'd get £1000 for it all and the inclined actuator on the 1224 is in the wrong place, you have to drive to a satellite then move the inclined actuator, it works & you get used to it like that but it should really be on the dec angle not axis angle so you are always tracking the arc.



They most likely have improved them since SS first tested the early ones, I've seen them come through the worst storms and not missed a beat with CM 1.2s on them, as I say though the U bolts should be beefed up especially for bigger dishes (IMO).

I think it's up to you on that 36v HH being sold off, just not tried one, looks better with the CM brackets without that pole.

Hi pal i know this is an older post and you know what you are talking about. Do you know if the moteck H180 has changed design since sss might have sold them? With regards to the larger ubolts... what would need to be done to make them larger, appreciate any advice. Thanks.

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That one does have an inclined actuator plus there's a 3" ground mount tripod and a 3" wall mount, Channel Master 1.2, feedhorn but I doubt you'd get £1000 for it all and the inclined actuator on the 1224 is in the wrong place, you have to drive to a satellite then move the inclined actuator, it works & you get used to it like that but it should really be on the dec angle not axis angle so you are always tracking the arc.


They most likely have improved them since SS first tested the early ones, I've seen them come through the worst storms and not missed a beat with CM 1.2s on them, as I say though the U bolts should be beefed up especially for bigger dishes (IMO).

I think it's up to you on that 36v HH being sold off, just not tried one, looks better with the CM brackets without that pole.

Hi pal i know this is an older post and you know what you are talking about. Do you know if the moteck H180 has changed design since sss might have sold them? With regards to the larger ubolts... what would need to be done to make them larger, appreciate any advice. Thanks.

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DP sorry guys.

 

[cappuccino99]

It's not the U bolts, it's the bracket, they've been made to allow flex in strong winds & that does take some strain off the motor, it's just a bit too much flex. I've built some big polarmounts that are far more rigid with much bigger/ heavier dishes on them, but I have seen the moteck hh180s with cm 1.2s take 95mph winds and bounce back spot on. The last few Channel Master 1.2s I've installed have been on polarmounts, mainly for twin axis, but they are definitely a good motor in the right hands - there's several ways to beef the bracket up from adding a bit of steel between the 2 uprights to completely remaking it in heavier steel, or just use them as is.

 

[BanjoXo71]

It's not the U bolts, it's the bracket, they've been made to allow flex in strong winds & that does take some strain off the motor, it's just a bit too much flex. I've built some big polarmounts that are far more rigid with much bigger/ heavier dishes on them, but I have seen the moteck hh180s with cm 1.2s take 95mph winds and bounce back spot on. The last few Channel Master 1.2s I've installed have been on polarmounts, mainly for twin axis, but they are definitely a good motor in the right hands - there's several ways to beef the bracket up from adding a bit of steel between the 2 uprights to completely remaking it in heavier steel, or just use them as is.

Many thanks for your reply, when money allows i will buy the h180 motor and the cm 1.2 and message you again as i would like you to do the install, might take a while as i may be moving house but not sure yet.

 

[BanjoXo71]

It's not the U bolts, it's the bracket, they've been made to allow flex in strong winds & that does take some strain off the motor, it's just a bit too much flex. I've built some big polarmounts that are far more rigid with much bigger/ heavier dishes on them, but I have seen the moteck hh180s with cm 1.2s take 95mph winds and bounce back spot on. The last few Channel Master 1.2s I've installed have been on polarmounts, mainly for twin axis, but they are definitely a good motor in the right hands - there's several ways to beef the bracket up from adding a bit of steel between the 2 uprights to completely remaking it in heavier steel, or just use them as is.

Hi, i just messaged a seller on ebay about where their moteck motors were made. The response was Taiwan.. is this good? i recall from one of your earlier posts that you had fitted one that was in Russian, any guidance please. The seller on ebay are £169 and sat-shop sell theirs for £150 but not asked them yet were they were produced, thanks.

 

[cappuccino99]

ask them

Moteck's HQ is in Taiwan but the motors are badged under several names.