Even The Troops Are Waking Up

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Yes every one could make a propaganda video up about the war as there will always be innocents hurt.

But what if other ppl in the country who were killed, raped and tortured by years of saddams regimes ? Musturd gas on the kurds or the thousands of Men, Woman and Children that have disappeared.

Yes the yanks dont do them selves any favours and a lot of mistakes have been made through out this campaing but I do believe that a better Iraq will be abvailable for its ppl in the years too come.

Maybe that wishfull thinking only time will tell.
 

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Yes every one could make a propaganda video up about the war as there will always be innocents hurt.

But what if other ppl in the country who were killed, raped and tortured by years of saddams regimes ? Musturd gas on the kurds or the thousands of Men, Woman and Children that have disappeared.

Yes the yanks dont do them selves any favours and a lot of mistakes have been made through out this campaing but I do believe that a better Iraq will be abvailable for its ppl in the years too come.

Maybe that wishful thinking only time will tell.
How many did Saddam torture rape and kill and who put him there and armed him
How many have we through sanctions and war most pay rolled by the Saudis and Kuwait.
 

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How many did Saddam torture rape and kill and who put him there and armed him
How many have we through sanctions and war most pay rolled by the Saudis and Kuwait.

Just because Govt of old fucked up does not mean a thing. Or by that argument we should stand back and watch.

Thay should have done it, in the 1st gulf war. Instead of leaving it to the Iraqi ppl to try them self and be slaughtered.


I believe they have a better chance at a better future. If you dont and owuld have been better under sadam then thats up to you.

Also you dont agree in sanctions and not in war so would you just watch him do what he did ?

Or what would you do ?
 
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Just because Govt of old fucked up does not mean a thing. Or by that argument we should stand back and watch.

Thay should have done it, in the 1st gulf war. Instead of leaving it to the Iraqi ppl to try them self and be slaughtered.


I believe they have a better chance at a better future. If you dont and owuld have been better under sadam then thats up to you.

I don't see a better future just an imposed by military force 1

Also you dont agree in sanctions and not in war so would you just watch him do what he did ?

I would keep my nose out just as we do in Tibet, Chechnya, various african states, sri lanka (a few years back) and countless other countrys.

Or what would you do ?

Nothing, but then I don't believe what they write in the sun.

You are brainwashed and don't even realise it.

Try reading some naom chomsky here is a small clip where he explains how you are allowing yourself to get mugged off by limiting your possible responses to a set question YouTube - Noam Chomsky discusses the slogan "Support Our Troops" .

Iraq is nothing to do with terrorism or protecting the Kurds and all about Saddam saying he was no longer going to sell his oil in Dollars but in Euro's, He was invaded shortly afterwards. The whole of opec is going to make the change soon, do you want to invade them also ?
 

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Why would I read the sun ? Brainwashed?

Its a English tabloid so why would I care what it has to say ?

Do you read a proper newspaper I take it?

So its all bad bad bad bad in Iraq, there is nothing good coming out it.

Yes lets all stand back and watch.

If were all at home its out of sight out of mind.

Have I said I want to invade countries for oil ?

No, but what you saying is because my opinion on the war means I agree to invade countries for oil ?

I hope that the ppl of Iraqi get a better life in the coming years and the lives of the innocent dead are remembered for their part of a free and democratic Iraq.
 
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End of the day theres troubles in many countries

Zimbabwe look at Mugabe is he any better then Saddam?

Well no need to go there no oil there for anyone!

Weapons of mass destruction is what they went for?

Have they found them?

Don't always believe what the government wants you to believe and the Jewish newspapers!
 

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End of the day theres troubles in many countries

Zimbabwe look at Mugabe is he any better then Saddam?

Well no need to go there no oil there for anyone!

Weapons of mass destruction is what they went for?

Have they found them?

Don't always believe what the government wants you to believe and the Jewish newspapers!

I dont I make My own mind up. I also have an Iraqi who works beside me. His family came here before the war. His brother was took at night and murdered by sadams regime. He wants the army out thats for sure but he thinks the country will be better off without sadam.
 

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My point is though this Country has enough of its own shit to deal with and didn't need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan for that matter.

Osama Bin Laden the once ally of America against the Russians!

Iraq is nothing compared to Afghanistan them Afghanis won't be defeated they will fight till death.

The thing is America funded the Taliban against they war with Russia and now they are terrorists. Its a funny World we live in!

I don't think its right that the British troops are there with their lifes in danger as for the Americans i couldn't care less if they lose a limb or not after all the damage they have done to the Country!

Its funny how the media reports all this news about casualties what about all the innocent kids that have been made orphans?

Were they terroists?
 

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I hope that the ppl of Iraqi get a better life in the coming years and the lives of the innocent dead are remembered for their part of a free and democratic Iraq.
British army's alleged torture of Iraqis goes to judicial review | Law | The Guardian Doesn't look like we have been treating them any better than Saddam

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The high court ruling was a victory for lawyers representing 102 men detained after the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The abuse they have documented includes 59 allegations of detainees being hooded, 11 of electric shocks, 122 of sound deprivation through the use of ear muffs, 52 of sleep deprivation, 131 of sight deprivation using blackened goggles, 39 of enforced nakedness and 18 allegations that detainees were kept awake by pornographic DVDs played on laptops.

One of the lawyers, Phil Shiner, said: "There are now hundreds of Iraqi civilians making thousands of allegations of being subjected to repeated sexual, physical and psychological abuse. The MoD's claim that this is the result of the actions of a few bad apples has been shown by the high court to be untenable.

Way to go but not my idea of how to show the benefits of the democratic system, maybe i'm just thick ?
 

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There will always be aspects of that. And they are wrong.

Is that your argument to saying that Iraq wont have a good democratic future ?

Do you think the British did not commit any atrocities In WW1 or WW2 yet we have a democratic Europe.

Isolated incidents yes. Shocking. Yes.

Case for no future or treating them the same as Sadam. No.

Also. Do we live in a democratic society ? Yes we do.

Is there still wrongs done in out society? Yes

So how do you actually link the two ?
 
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