Covid 19 Vaccine

I've seen a few reports now from scientists specialising in clinical trials. One said that one of the main reasons for the speed of development and production is that in the past they sat on their hands most of the time waiting for someone to tick a box. Approving spending etc.

Another reason cited was that although this is a new vaccine a great deal of work had been carried out on the Corona family of viruses before Covid-19 was even known. The method of operation was a key area, normally a vaccine is little more than a diluted version of the illness. This one uses a completely novel approach that has been in development for years, but it's the first time it will be used seriously. The method bodes well for future vaccines.

I'll probably hang on for the Oxford version as we don't have very many -70° facilities here in the sticks!
 
I think we need a reality check on the vaccine.
For one
it does kill the germ like a pint of Trump disinfectant real ale it uses are own bodies immune system to recognise similar to the flu vaccine we've been using for years and years but I dont see too many moaning about the fookin flu jab !!!.

This aint a drug like a cancer treatment were sometimes the treatment can be as damaging as the disease;-

How does a vaccine work?

Vaccines reduce risks of getting a disease by working with your body’s natural defenses to build protection. When you get a vaccine, your immune system responds. It:
  • Recognizes the invading germ, such as the virus or bacteria.
  • Produces antibodies. Antibodies are proteins produced naturally by the immune system to fight disease.
  • Remembers the disease and how to fight it. If you are then exposed to the germ in the future, your immune system can quickly destroy it before you become unwell.
The vaccine is therefore a safe and clever way to produce an immune response in the body, without causing illness.
Our immune systems are designed to remember. Once exposed to one or more doses of a vaccine, we typically remain protected against a disease for years, decades or even a lifetime. This is what makes vaccines so effective. Rather than treating a disease after it occurs, vaccines prevent us in the first instance from getting sick.



I say,
those who refuse should sign to say they are NOT prepared to have the vaccine therefor wavering any ICU treatment when needed, only fair. This way we can get those who are waiting for long term cancer heart liver kidney transplants and other life threatening illnesses back on track.


As for trials test etc on the vaccine?,,there's a list as long as my arm drugs that were hammered with test and still did more damage than the disease itself.

I was on Co-proxomol for a few years till it was banned, a very safe mild painkiller I was told,

I think not
 
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I say,
those who refuse should sign to say they are NOT prepared to have the vaccine therefor wavering any ICU treatment when needed, only fair. This way we can get those who are waiting for long term cancer heart liver kidney transplants and other life threatening illnesses back on track.

To a point i agree with this but then i think in some instances your saying those that have choose to drink, smoke and eat themselves into ICU are fine to be treated in your opinion.
 
True, but they are addictions a disease in their own right, Covid is not a mental illness, it's viral, transmitted person to person whether you like it or not. Imagine, a jab that stops you smoking, drinking, eating now there's a money spinner
 
Doesn't it only work for a few months?
Even if it only works for a few months and needs repeating once or even twice a year it is better than dying from it, as otherwise you could be dead forever if your are one of the unlucky ones.
 
I think a significant issue, generally, is that many people have recognised how much the media played to its own agenda over the past few years. This has led them to seek other sources of information, mostly poor as people are not very good at research, as a rule.
 
I've just heard a friend is in ICU with it. On the list of those who I thought "wouldn't" suffer if they got it he was the top of my list mid 40's no known health issue's.

If those 60,000 who have died so far had the choice im sure most would opted in for it.
 
Thanks, he's the first I've known who I thought he would probably get it mild. There's just no telling in some cases.
 
I don't wish ill of anyone really but it would be nice if all those people who ignore the rules that are trying to protect people from the virus claiming it is just a bit of flu actually caught it themselves or knew a friend or relative who had it and ended up in ICU then we would not need these lockdowns as we would have kept it under control soon after the initial lockdown.
 
I don't wish ill of anyone really but it would be nice if all those people who ignore the rules that are trying to protect people from the virus claiming it is just a bit of flu actually caught it themselves or knew a friend or relative who had it and ended up in ICU then we would not need these lockdowns as we would have kept it under control soon after the initial lockdown.
We have a typical numpty family next door who thinks nothing of having several people round at 1pm every night....grrrrrrrr.

God knows what they're spreading.
 
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We have a typical numpty family next door who thinks nothing of having several people round at 1pm every night....grrrrrrrr
When they announced the lockdown in July, just a day or two before Eid, and they said that we could not have people coming into our houses or gardens the guy in the multigenerational house a few doors from me said that he was going to just have to have his party in his garden and there have been very few days since then that there have not been lots of people always going in and out of that house :mad:
 
The divide and conquer is working well, people fighting in the street and shops, others calling for health care to be withdrawn if they choose not to have this vaccine, SJW chasing people around demanding people reveal their private medical history to justify them not wearing a mask.

I won't have the vaccine unless I can specify the French version, which is a neutralised version of the bug, what I won't do is allow someone to inject genetically manipulated cells into my body. It may be a personal choice but I don't wish to take part in a trial of genetically manipulated material.

I've always been quite a socially distanced chap, I don't go to pubs, I don't eat out, so most of this hasn't been a problem to me. What I find incredulous is that this country is being systematically destroyed by a government that is willing to lie about the number of deaths, and has continued to carry on lying even when caught out, these people want me to trust them and let them inject GM material into me, I don't cuss anybody else's choice but it's not for us.
 
Wouldn't this French version that you mention also be genetically manipulated, as is almost everything we grow and eat these days ?
Even my lovely dog Benji has been genetically manipulated over many generations, so that he is no longer the wolf his ancestors were.Freshly Groomed 2.jpg
 
Wouldn't this French version that you mention also be genetically manipulated, as is almost everything we grow and eat these days ?
Even my lovely dog Benji has been genetically manipulated over many generations, so that he is no longer the wolf his ancestors were.View attachment 131352

There's a hell of a difference between selective breeding and Genetic manipulation
 
I will be avoiding it at all costs. As far as I am concerned, there is far too much money riding on the successful deployment, resulting in many corners being cut and 'palms greased' in order for the vaccine to be developed, tested, distributed & launched in such a short space of time.
Pharma companies (in particular Pfizer) have a reputation for being economical with the truth and governments are no better, especially this one.
1) The makers of the vaccines were in charge of the testing - what could possibly go wrong there?
2) The testing protocol relied on infintesimally small numbers of 'positive vs. negative' subjects to prove the vaccines' efficacy (ca. 100 in 30,000) and still uses the discredited PCR test to detect positive cases.
3) There is no way of knowing what the long term effects may be after a mere 6 month trial. Anyone remember thalidomide? It took them almost 6 years to withdraw it in the early 60s, long after its devastating effects were plain for all to see.
4) The Moderna (which has never before got a vaccine through FDA approval despite numerous attempts) vaccine uses a technology (mRNA) that has never been used in humans before. It could take years for any undesirable side effects to show. Previous attempts killed 100% of the vaccinated animals upon exposure to the virus against which they were supposed to be protected.
5) The UK government has already procured a system to cope with the expected high numbers of complaints about side effects of the vaccines.
6) There is zero proof that the vaccine will prevent the more serious forms of the disease.
7) The trials were deliberately misleading. For example, in the Astra Zeneca trial the age was limited to 55. And healthy subjects were chosen, not people with high susceptibility. Yet they want to roll out the vaccines to 'at-risk' categories, i.e. those who the vaccines have yet to be tested on. More > HERE <
And finally, since the virus has never been isolated and successfully reporduced in a lab (hence the reason there is still no accurate test) how can they have possibly produced a vaccine? You just have to follow the money. The snouts are in the trough big time. All the big voices (Vallance, Tedros, Fauci to name but a few) have vested interests in Big Pharma and money is far more important to them than the health and welfare of millions of potential victims.

What we are currently witnessing is the largest experiment on human beings in the history of mankind.

Perhaps one reason I am more sceptical than most (and I despair when I read some of the 'me first please' comments on here) is that I have long since disconnected from mainstream media. I get the odd snippet now & again when testing a TV or installing one for a customer and it is so blindingly obvious (to an outsider) how the brainwashing is being done. I cringe when I see the news. Even adverts & kids' programmes are hammering it home. Nine months with a captive audience is all they needed to get people scared enough to be suckered into risking everything just to make a few millionaires even richer.
 
No brainwashing, like when young delinquents are taken to their local jail to show them were they could end up if they don't take action now i think some people need to be taken to their local hospital and speak to front line nurses and doctors not politicians or news reporters your been brainwashed by the conspiracy theorist.

A friends wife has just been redeployed over to the Covid ward. Her job is very busy, she currently wheeling bodies to the mortuary.

Its not media, its not fake news, its not the Gov to blame its a rampant viral outbreak that indiscriminately takes lifes in a horrible way you basically choke to death very slowly
If you don't want the vaccine thats fine, but I advocate the refusal of ICU treatment if you do contract it so to free beds up for the needy.
And if I grow an extra head or devil horns ?, then its my fault
 
Strange how the uk is banging it out first guys but not good and the rest will follow?

Just hope it's a stopping this Pan and have the cure ish !!?
 
Like I said, the proof is in the pudding and the truth lies up your road in your local hospitals, mortuary, and funeral directors.

Forget talking to and listening to media and politicians conspricary theorists Big brother, I don't care what they think!! instead, go and speak with staff and doctors up the hospital (I have). Ask them nicely they might let you see a few people at the premature end of their life slowly choking to death.


If you want know the truth about a war go and speak to the front line soldiers not the General a 1000 mile away drinking tea and buttered scones.
First experience weighs far more than second hand drivlely bullsh#t.

This has been predicted for 20 years plus but there's lots out there who want to point the finger at people and don't think its true.

Theres nothing down for you, you've been Trump'ed for good, blame others when the truths sitting right in front of you.


Its a virus that takes lives indiscriminately
 
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And as for "Will I have the vaccine ?"


100% yes,

We all have our reasons as to why and why not. If you are going to question the vaccine and any future side effects then empty your medicine cabinet down the pan right now. Im sure you've 1 or 2 in there that will be linked with some serious side effects in the no so distant future
 
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