I dont think i will bother m8 I have seen your spelling and grammar and it obviously hasnt worked for you fella.
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Uncle cheetah please DaveWhat time you going down the club tonight cheetah?
Let's give PJW some views.
Lads come on, this thread is quickly becoming farcical with name calling, and insults a plenty. Clearly there are differing views from both sides, but can we at least keep it civil before it descends further.
It's nice to see a subject invoking such emotion and discussion, so let's keep it going as it's nice to see the forum being so busy for a change.
I saw today that her family have distanced themselves from her most recent comments, which I think speaks for itself, they're obviously pretty hurt by what she has said and done, or they're worried about retribution from vigilantes, or an anti muslim movement. For me personally, the things this girl is saying shows that she's clearly still a sympathiser to Daesh, and has been indoctrinated quite deeply into their cause and beliefs. It also shows a level of naivety that she thinks that she can say these things and not face a backlash from the country she is trying to return to.
I also seen today that Trump has said the US prisoner cannot return which is contradictory (Surprise, Surprise) to him wanting Europe to take back the prisoners. Trump seems to think it's 1 rule for everyone else, and another rule for the US. The big problem here is that there are now 3 countries who are refusing to allow this girl into their country due to security issues, and international law will rule that she will have to return to the UK, where imo she should face trial and the consequences of her actions. The only problem with that is, there seems to be a growing rhetoric of Jihadi-ism within prisons, as they lockup all the sympathisers together, essentially allowing it to become concentrated.
It's an ugly situation and one without a simple answer, but it's nice to see the Home Secretary taking such a staunch stance against it, even if it is only lip service. Luckily the man himself is a Muslim, otherwise there would be further cries of islamaphobia or discrimination.
It's nice to see a subject invoking such emotion and discussion, so let's keep it going as it's nice to see the forum being so busy for a change.
I saw today that her family have distanced themselves from her most recent comments, which I think speaks for itself, they're obviously pretty hurt by what she has said and done, or they're worried about retribution from vigilantes, or an anti muslim movement. For me personally, the things this girl is saying shows that she's clearly still a sympathiser to Daesh, and has been indoctrinated quite deeply into their cause and beliefs. It also shows a level of naivety that she thinks that she can say these things and not face a backlash from the country she is trying to return to.
I also seen today that Trump has said the US prisoner cannot return which is contradictory (Surprise, Surprise) to him wanting Europe to take back the prisoners. Trump seems to think it's 1 rule for everyone else, and another rule for the US. The big problem here is that there are now 3 countries who are refusing to allow this girl into their country due to security issues, and international law will rule that she will have to return to the UK, where imo she should face trial and the consequences of her actions. The only problem with that is, there seems to be a growing rhetoric of Jihadi-ism within prisons, as they lockup all the sympathisers together, essentially allowing it to become concentrated.
It's an ugly situation and one without a simple answer, but it's nice to see the Home Secretary taking such a staunch stance against it, even if it is only lip service. Luckily the man himself is a Muslim, otherwise there would be further cries of islamaphobia or discrimination.
When he has served his sentence there I am sure we can extradite him and convict him here too
Then we have to pay for him to stay in
This bloke:
Briton Jihadi Jack who fled UK to fight with ISIS wants to come home
He doesn't look or sound all there, likes his mum, pasties and other things...
I'd still like him to remain where he is.
Briton Jihadi Jack who fled UK to fight with ISIS wants to come home
He doesn't look or sound all there, likes his mum, pasties and other things...
I'd still like him to remain where he is.
I very much doubt we have one with Syria, or many middle eastern countries in general. They normally close ranks, the problem with extradition treaties, is they're often very one sided. Much like the US > UK treaty, it is completely one sided for the US. Treaties are only as good as they're enacted.
The UK believes she has committed a crime in another country and believes her presence is not for the general good.
Person (can't remember the name but Greek prison, I think) was extradited (I can't remember and search engines are somewhat selective nowadays) from UK and held without trial for years and that's thanks to loss of Habeus Corpus in EU.
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Habeas Corpus
There is a term i have not heard in many a year. First reared its head in 1305 i believe. I also believe it is very apt for this thread because it was the very foundations of peoples human rights which sadly this thread has in its infinite wisdom chosen to forget. (Habeas corpus (ad subjiciendum) is Latin for "you may have the body" (subject to examination). It is a writ which requires a person detained by the authorities be brought before a court of law so that the legality of the detention may be examined.)
I will also add for your perusal some old English law.
The Magna Carta, which says in Article 39: "No freeman shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised or exiled or in any way destroyed, nor will we go upon him nor will we send upon him except upon the lawful judgement of his peers or the law of the land."
You will find various translations but i believe these to be the most accurate.
So i will re-iterate!! This government is acting illegally!! You can like it or lump it!
My Thoughts
There is a term i have not heard in many a year. First reared its head in 1305 i believe. I also believe it is very apt for this thread because it was the very foundations of peoples human rights which sadly this thread has in its infinite wisdom chosen to forget. (Habeas corpus (ad subjiciendum) is Latin for "you may have the body" (subject to examination). It is a writ which requires a person detained by the authorities be brought before a court of law so that the legality of the detention may be examined.)
I will also add for your perusal some old English law.
The Magna Carta, which says in Article 39: "No freeman shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised or exiled or in any way destroyed, nor will we go upon him nor will we send upon him except upon the lawful judgement of his peers or the law of the land."
You will find various translations but i believe these to be the most accurate.
So i will re-iterate!! This government is acting illegally!! You can like it or lump it!
My Thoughts
Bloke in a Greek prison was not brought before any court.
She is (currently) no longer a subject of the UK. I'd like it more if more fundamentalist radicals were deported without trial under some other law which can probably be found, or made, involving the good of the people.
Absolutely brilliant
I wouldn't be using olde english laws. In some places it's still legal to shoot a welshman with a crossbow at certain times of the year...
As for the government acting "illegally" when has the government ever done anything that it didn't want to do? We've invaded enough countries "illegally" without any real retribution, so that argument is a moot point. Also the government can change the laws of the country to suit their own needs and requirements.
I dont disagree with your sentiment, and agree that this girl should face trial for the crime she committed, however finding a jury that would be impartial to her and her story may be difficult indeed. International law states that she cannot be made stateless, which atm she is arguing that she has been as she only holds a UK passport. This is where the initial arguments will start and finish imo, sadly as with most things like this, there is no simple answer, although some will argue there is.
Personally, I would like to see the girl, and others who've joined Daesh and come back tried for the crimes they are being accused of, but I think it should go to a much higher court such as the Hague or similar. But then this would have to be agreed by all parties within the EU, as we're leaving the EU shortly, then it complicates things further.
This is the problem with modern geo-politics, countries do things for their own gain, and then when things dont always work out, then there are difficulties. CIA in Columbia for instance, SAS in Afghanistan (Trained the rebels during Russian invasion), Syria currently, the list is endless. We the West have to take a great deal of responsibility for the troubles that are currently within the Middle East, but whilst we prop up other regimes (Saudi, Israel) for our own interests, then we're going to continue to have these conflicts.
The problem is a simple one imo, Religion has and always will be a derisive subject that will be used to segregate and control the masses, the sooner it is disproven, or outlawed the better for all the human race.
I believe the baby should be allowed to live in the UK.
As for the mother... couldn't we hand her over to Daesh?.... They don't like people trying to leave..job done.
As for the mother... couldn't we hand her over to Daesh?.... They don't like people trying to leave..job done.
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Let her perish where she is and let the flies feast on her flesh.
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You'll learn nothing from history, it's were all the mistakes were made.
And laws are there to be changed but only if it suits those who made them.
It's them and us and has been since we all threw spears in our duds.
Which one :-
Which would stand the best chance of getting laws changed ?, a Richard Branson, Denise Coates or me ?.
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I'll tell you why,
Cost...security alone the segregation while imprison were he get 3 square meals a TV and a free licence while they debate making OAPs pay.
Cost m8, me ? Build one of these over the Yorkshire Moors then watch the feckers freeze to death
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