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my broadband has been given the free upgrade from 4meg to 10 meg.
. when i was on 4meg I could download from newsdemon at 4 meg all day.
now ive got the upgrade i can download at 10 meg for about ten minutes then it drops to 2.5 meg.
has anyone else got this problem after the "upgrade"?
 
Welcome to the wonderful world of stm (subscriber traffic management).
 
Welcome to the wonderful world of stm (subscriber traffic management).

A.K.A take ur money and only get what u pay for for a percentage of the time

Cheers
MFCGAVMFC
 
fookin brilliant innit? pay for 4 , they give you a upgrade to 10 but in reality you get 2.5?
thats got to be against some tradin standards regulation surely?
gimme back my 4mb.
at least i got what i paid for.

maybe i shouldve posted this in the rant room lol
 
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i think also it's 2gb download limit between 1600-0000
 
just ad a right ding dong with them got the old crap ooooooh its the goverments fault new guidlines on fair usage pure crap, rip off merchants been a cable customer for 5 years now and virgin r s*** pay through the nose. Then they come out with crap like this.As the previous poster sait rob ya nad think its perfectly ok to do it fair usage bulls**t if u sak me just carnt support what they offer, thats got to be against the law.

DOWNLOAD FOR 20 MINS AND GET RESTRICTED FOR 4 HOURS what great deals VIRGIN offer

come back ntl pleassssssssssssssssssssse lol
 
i`ve been on 20meg for last year and have had this with them for ages ! the way round it is just make sure u download your films in AVI/DIVX formatt and use either WINAVI(fastest by far approx 20- 30 mins 700mb) or convertxdvd ( approx 1 hr 700mb) to convet to dvd this way u can have 4 films a nite and not be capped !! and at mo i`m struggling to find 4 films a nite worth downloading !! lol
 
Four films a night ?????

You'd be in front of the box for at least 6 hours solid per day just to watch those. Life's far too valuable to waste it like that !
 
just set your dls for after 9pm then you'll be ok
the times are 4pm til 9pm i believe now
well it is here :)



Never read your post mate cos that arse is toooo distracting. Have a :banana: I love it!!
 
just set your dls for after 9pm then you'll be ok
the times are 4pm til 9pm i believe now
well it is here :)

Unless your in one of the "test" areas which now seems to be 10am-11pm daily and all day on weekends/bank holidays. I suspect this may be the norm for everyone soon enough.
 
It is curious point here but if a company selling say cars advertised that they went 0-60 in 5 seconds but had small print to say that they only do that under between certain times of the day and under perfect conditions and the normal time was 0-60 in 20 seconds then they would be pulled off air as misleading advertising.

How come isp can advertise the way they do??

How many people buy 8 Mb ADSL and can only achieve 2Mb or 4Mb becasue of there location.
 
I made exactly the same point to Nozzer i while ago in a thread mate and i still think it sucks .It should be made clear to people (and not in tiny print that no one ever reads) that 20 meg is only available between certain hours .If VM can't deliver what they promise then maybe they should stop advertising it
 
they just get away with it but stating UPTO. then they dont need to give the correct speed and get away with it
 
Unfortunately all the internet suppliers do this kind of thing, often by redefining common words as having special "industry standard" meanings.

Until one of the regulators actually grows a few teeth and prohibits these arbitary definitions then we're stuck with it !

Advertising should be much clearer on what you actually get. If you think about it for a few minutes you can easily see that its impossible for any provider (even VM) to give all users 20Mbit/sec for 24 hours per day every day. Do the maths and you'll see the ridiculous amounts of bandwidth they would require. The providers have to look at average user requirements and try to cope with that. This is pretty difficult as average bandwidth requirements change on an almost daily basis (almost allways upwards). When you think that VM (and most other suppliers) run on a fairly narrow margin you soon see that they simply cant keep up with demand (especially on a continuous basis). Add to that the fact that they have to keep adding new subscribers in order to survive and you have a recipe for disaster !

Because these statistics are very variable and the bandwidth is finite all providers will require to use some form of contention during periods when there are a lot of users taking that bandwidth. Unfortunately, for the price you pay for a domestic connection, this is just something you have to live with. If you want guaranteed bandwidth 24/7 then you will be paying an awful lot more than £21 a month !

So, the issue isn't with the fact they have to use stm (there's really very few alternatives). Its simply the way that VM (and others) advertise the products thats causing the problems. You cant just blame VM here though as all the suppliers are looking for an edge. The marketing depts of all of them are just pushing the envelope continuously and as long as there's no real organised objections then they will continue to get away with it !
 
they just get away with it but stating UPTO. then they dont need to give the correct speed and get away with it

I just bought a carton of 1ltr UPTO pure orange juice. It had 90% water!!

YEAH RIGHT!!!

Also Nozzer what you said in the post above makes sense but for one reason and one reason only!!! It makles sense to earn this stinking Governemnt cash!!!

Why?

Because they can't can't be arsed to upgrade our infrastructure to let us have high speed access. Which in fact the majority of Europe already have in place and have done so for a long time, and these are countries who are supposed to be far inferior to ourselves.

Considering we founded the telephone, we pioneered telephonic communications and our own BT (British Telecom) was at one point the most advanced technological communications in the whole world, why are we so far behind everyone else?

Fair enough if our country had succumbed to a desolate place, a country of total annihilation over the years, a country out of control. But it has not, the only thing out of control is out government who do not realise that they have to act and act much quicker than they think to get us back on track as being a pioneering company in both technology and in fact, just living!!!
 
Also Nozzer what you said in the post above makes sense but for one reason and one reason only!!! It makles sense to earn this stinking Governemnt cash!!!

Why?

Because they can't can't be arsed to upgrade our infrastructure to let us have high speed access. Which in fact the majority of Europe already have in place and have done so for a long time, and these are countries who are supposed to be far inferior to ourselves.

I suspect the government may not want or see the need for us all to have high speed internet. From the work they've done, they seem to have the idea that the speeds we already have are adequate for at least the next few years and, tbh, for the vast majority of domestic customers, they are probably correct.

I'm sure the government has looked closely at what other countries have done but they really aren't in a position to do much. Mostly because when BT was de-nationalised the government effectively barred themselves from interfering in the UK telecoms industry. A lot of the countries with fast internet have single monopolistic state controlled telecoms providers and seem to be quite happy to heavily tax their populations in order to get showcase telecoms.

Considering we founded the telephone, we pioneered telephonic communications and our own BT (British Telecom) was at one point the most advanced technological communications in the whole world, why are we so far behind everyone else?

Basically, because we were the first and now have to live with a vast antiquated system. The cost of ripping it all out and replacing it is phenomenal, especially as the present system has suffered from massive underfunding in both its nationalised and privatised forms.

Also, a lot of the countries with fast internet systems have built there telecoms systems at a much later date than the UK system was laid down. One of the consequences of wars is often that the looser ends up with massive reconstruction often laying much more advanced infrastructures than the winner. This partly explains why Japan, Germany, Italy and, to some extent, France (and even Korea) have relatively good internet

Fair enough if our country had succumbed to a desolate place, a country of total annihilation over the years, a country out of control. But it has not, the only thing out of control is out government who do not realise that they have to act and act much quicker than they think to get us back on track as being a pioneering company in both technology and in fact, just living!!!

You paint a bit of a bleak picture here !

Yes, we have a telecoms system that has suffered from under-investment but the technological wizadry of BT has solved some amazing problems to give us the speeds that are adequate for the present. ADSL and its progeny are quite remarkable systems considering what the engineers had to work with and, tbh, are testimonials that good old British ingenuity is still alive and kicking. The fact that a good chunk of the world has adopted ADSL shows its a world class product and its overseas sales has financed a large proportion of the installation of this system in the UK.

Ok, we need investment to make sure that the speeds stay adequate to the job but i'm reasonably confident this will happen as and when necessary. For the present though, anything over 2Mbit/sec is effectively redundant, Most servers dont serve at anything near even that (exceptions being a few of the big server farms and multi-connection Newsgroups). Even most internet video feeds run at far less than 2Mbit/sec.

So, the question is, why are you so dissatisfied with what you have ?

What is it that you want to do that requires so much more bandwidth than you already have ?
 
Nozzer you are an angel to my ears.

I did not require the above.

I just decided to join in the conversation regarding the post above mine as you seem to know what you were talking about so I had a little rant to add to it.

You have now put things into perspective in such a manor that everything now seems much clearer.

Very well put. :Clap:
 
hang on a mo its not about what speed we get,how much we can download, its about why customers are lied to.If i pay for a 20meg conection i expect a 20 meg conection.Sorry next time im in the pub and only get 3 pints,after ordering 5 ill just accept it To state 8meg,10meg,20meg, then limit by capping is wrong. In this country were told oooooh be happy with what youve got for far to long, Companies dont see customers as customers, just irritations. Asia 100meg England 20meg capped and as for high taxes er i recall Englang is one of the highest tax bracket countries in the world.
The argument isnt abut oh i can now download ten films,games, or whatever its about service and if a service isnt attainable then it shouldnt be offered as such .

think i should av saved this for the rant room ..............LOL please read the small print on reverse
 
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