Is this for real or is it a comedy show?

What do you say @nara? Have you read the Lisbon Treaty? What are your thoughts on GATT Article XXIV? Does the Withdrawal Agreement suit you?
Have you had a read at the good friday agreement mate?
Im not to worried what happens in that other side of the water. One of “the biggest issues” is the irish border.
It will be sticking point when boris begins his chats with EU.

Whats you views on that agreement mate?
How will you solve it?

Boris said today tech could be used on irish border so its not “hard”.
Taking into consideration that not to long ago on some parts of the border was previously maned by the biggest amy barracks in europe. They have gone, peace is here (if there will ever be peace)
It has been well stated by certain groups that they will destroy any tech post that carry out surveillance on irish citizens by British.
So using technology is not going work.
Hard border is not going to work.

As said.... seeing this is one of main sticking points with the british and EU.

Your views may enlighten me or shine some hope on resolving the issue.
An issue thats cost thousands of lives.
@Him Her

Surly needs discussed.
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I think the guys in the video especially the football coupon eyes guy (1 at home 1 away) would vote remain.
The EU's just like his scenning Ben Turpin, 1 brain with 2 set of independent laws.
Its the fear of change the Monsters Inc "Don't look under the bed" affect or probably knowing bananas will be more bent and won't go were they usually go without hurting.
Humble pie and all that, if anyone's good at searching you should find and watch the Sajid David BBC before the Brexit vote the one were he predicts an apocalyptic future for Britain if we leave, lies on an epic scale.

But don't look under your bed after it, you might see the Dole Monster or the Soup Kitchen Dragon ...ffs


P.S any chance any remainers can post me the lottery numbers for tonight's, 5 and 1 lucky will do, I'm not greedy
 
The Good Friday Agreement certainly is a fly in the ointment and did for May's Withdrawal Agreement pretty comprehensively. I suppose we should put it in context, firstly the UK Government remained committed to "the avoidance of a hard border, including any physical infrastructure or related checks and controls" and, in "the absence of agreed solutions", would "maintain full alignment with the Internal Market etc." However, "the absence of agreed solutions" is probably the key phrase here. We cannot predict what form any future agreed solution would take so all we can do is speculate.

What is a border typically for? Control of movement of people and goods in the main and, as far as goods are concerned, a large part of that is tariffs which are just taxes really. A large part of Irish exports to the UK is agricultural products and the UK WTO Schedule (Draft) in the event of 'No Deal' largely has zero tariffs on these goods so one solution might be to argue the UK is not collecting tariffs on imports from Ireland so has no need of border controls in any case. The ball is then in the EU's court.

Also bear in mind most European borders had largely become token gestures by the mid 1980s as the railways opened up Europe to tourism. Only the outbreak of war saw these borders reinstated.

Assume there is a last minute move towards a deal as 'no deal' becomes more likely, the EU has form for taking negotiations right to the wire so the sabre-rattling of the moment can be largely discounted. If the EU and the UK agreed to negotiate a trade deal then under GATT Article XXIV existing tariffs and procedures can remain active until such time as a deal is concluded. That would render border controls unnecessary.

A quick note on 'no deal' : they UK Government is practically powerless to stop 'no deal', despite the vote. That vote was a statement of wishes, no legislation followed and even if it had it couldn't over-rule EU law at this stage. The UK can only do that AFTER it has left.

Another possible option is to go with a Trusted Trader Scheme such as complying with the EU Authorised Economic Operator requirements. The EU is already looking at how to deploy that outside its external borders.

Do I know what the outcome will be? Well, if I did I wouldn't be typing this, I'd be away to the bookies bunging a load of money in futures!
 
Hypocritical deceiving lying Politicians don't wash no more with the people of today. Too many have been caught dipping perving and cokin it to be trusted ever again, and that's worldwide, look at Hong Kong and the power of people when they stand together.

At the end of the day never underestimate the power people actually have. Yes the vote was a statement of wishes but if you turn your back on democracy first asking the people of the UK in or out then say no thanks we cant you basically are making a tinder box.

It's basic party politics, when you have leavers and remainers on all sides of the house then how tf can they all come together ? impossible that trumpus labour mon proved that , he cant even wash his nets.
To ask the people then to simply ignore is the making of a far far bigger disaster ahead than if we decide to just cut n run and leave.

My decision wasn't made on the NHS sign on the bus give us credit. Anyone with common sense knew that was quality bullsh"t the same rose growing bullsh"t remainers told us all that 5 million would be on the dole within 12 months of voting to leave as companies bail out, and were to ? Greece ? Spain ? pmsl.

My decision was made on us taking back control of our own laws via Westminster and not Brussels and our borders back. The EU fear that if we leave and get a 1/2 decent deal others will follow till it collapses a dangerous game to play because if it fails and we leave anyway and we overcome a poor leave deal then I'm sure that will just feed the flames even more for other countries even more.


Just leave and be done then work it out after, ffs jesus christ I spent my whole working life doing that in the building game stop fookin looking at it crack on and get it fookin done, if it fails fixer the fooker later.
 
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I voted to stay @Him Her
The one main reason for that was border, no one really knew how much of a mess it would of turned into. To make the issue harder to resolve is the government needed the DUP and bought them with billions of pounds to keep them in power. The DUP are hardline unionists and will do all in there power to keep the union together.
Although it 52% to leave overall.
In the north of ireland it was 56% want to “stay”.

With reference to mainland, i understand why those voted to leave, most was miss information about so called “foreigners taking our job” crap and taking our houses and draining the NHS.
There really is more to being in the EU then open borders, many of those that voted to leave are narrow minded and only seen what they wanted to see.
Ad much as i disagree with some EU policies staying had more benefit. Trade, laws that protect you other the local government laws and many more.
I have said this before on here and some took offence to it.
(non was ment)

Hurry up and leave the EU!!!
Now that may is away hopefully it will speed things up. Personally boris is not the right to do it. But there we go, new era for the future we are entering, that will affect all our grandchildren.
Only time will tell if it was a good idea to leave.
Personally i think it will be bad.
But democracy spoke.
So off we go.
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If we have a free trade deal with the EU and say a free trade deal with India and the EU had a 20% tariff on goods from India, what would stop the import going from India via the UK to avoid the tariff?
 
The EU was a good idea granted but times and businesses have moved on. You can't carry on propping up others forever, we hand out yes hand out over £11 billion+ to the EU we don't get back just to help failing economies while our hospitals, police forces, schools fireman local councils are close to collapsing, it's non sustainable.
In 2017 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was near £4 billion.
They'll only realise how much they need us when we leave and leave behind a huge deficit in the EU budget, they'll soon change their tune gaurenteed. They need us more than we need them don't undersell yourselves.
 
If we have a free trade deal with the EU and say a free trade deal with India and the EU had a 20% tariff on goods from India, what would stop the import going from India via the UK to avoid the tariff?

Technically, that would be impossible as it is a function of a Customs Union. As we could not be in a Customs Union AND negotiate our own trade deals then any goods imported into the UK and subsequently re-exported to the EU would have to clear customs at the point of entry and the required tariff paid.
 
What do you say @nara? Have you read the Lisbon Treaty?

Not in full, why? (where's my fishing net? :) )

What are your thoughts on GATT Article XXIV?

It would only allow the maintenance of zero tariffs for up to ten years if there was “plan and schedule” agreed for concluding a final deal. It’s highly unlikely we could have such a plan in place with the EU before leaving.

Does the Withdrawal Agreement suit you?

No, no withdrawal agreement would suit me.

Here you go nara :)

Hold that thought dave.
 
I find that statement rather narrow minded
Im sure you do seeing you have a strange fetish for farage.
(as profile pic shows)
🙂

We all know your opinion on leaving the EU, and i respect that. The good news about that, its only harming the union. So for me leaving the EU has has got some good points on that ground.
A complete laughing stock of the world the UK has become.
To be fare T May made us all have a good laugh, then we will only get more laughs from the next clown takes over.
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Im sure you do seeing you have a strange fetish for farage.
(as profile pic shows)
🙂

I think chookey's profile pic is a wind-up, he's far too intelligent to fall for the Farage hokum.

then we will only get more laughs from the next clown takes over.

Hopefully. Ukraine voted in a comedian as their President. A bonking buffoon like Boris seems about right to lead us in tears(of laughter or otherwise) into the abyss.
 
Technically, that would be impossible as it is a function of a Customs Union. As we could not be in a Customs Union AND negotiate our own trade deals then any goods imported into the UK and subsequently re-exported to the EU would have to clear customs at the point of entry and the required tariff paid.

I fought that 1/2 the point of vote leave was so that we could negotiate a trade deal with the EU and anyone else we wanted to
 
It is @JonMMM but a trade deal with the EU precludes us being in the Customs Union. As for the Gatt comment @nara it needs a single sheet of paper outlining the basis for negotiation and is already prepared. I accept the EU may not wish to sign it but timing is not an issue, it could easily be in effect from November 1st.
 
It is @JonMMM but a trade deal with the EU precludes us being in the Customs Union. As for the Gatt comment @nara it needs a single sheet of paper outlining the basis for negotiation and is already prepared. I accept the EU may not wish to sign it but timing is not an issue, it could easily be in effect from November 1st.

OK so say we get a 0% tariff deal with the EU and dont join the customs union, what is then to stop us importing from other countries around the world that we a a free trade deal with and exporting those goods the the EU where they have tariffs with the original country but not with us?
 
...it needs a single sheet of paper outlining the basis for negotiation and is already prepared. I accept the EU may not wish to sign it but timing is not an issue, it could easily be in effect from November 1st.

Ah! It's that 'easily' word again, so beloved of 'Leave' politicians over the last three years. How often have those words been eaten?
 
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