Porch

zad · Jan 25, 2015

Hello,

Right my next early stage planning is rattling round my head... all these things rattling round need money!!

Any way our porch is single false stone with thin double glazed glass massive windows. So my idea is to get it knocked down and rebuild in either single block and rendered? or double skin insulated. is the single block with render possible? I don't want to loose to much internal area.

Also our windows are Rosewood and all new well apart from the top 2 so again we keep looking at either a Red door with Rosewood frame. or a hormann like The Door Industry Journal Blog: New Hormann ThermoPro Plus - even better insulation

but not sure if it would look odd being a completely different colour? Picture attached is our front of house. Suggestions more than welcome

willin · Jan 26, 2015

zad said:
Hello,

Right my next early stage planning is rattling round my head... all these things rattling round need money!!

Any way our porch is single false stone with thin double glazed glass massive windows. So my idea is to get it knocked down and rebuild in either single block and rendered? or double skin insulated. is the single block with render possible? I don't want to loose to much internal area.

Also our windows are Rosewood and all new well apart from the top 2 so again we keep looking at either a Red door with Rosewood frame. or a hormann like The Door Industry Journal Blog: New Hormann ThermoPro Plus - even better insulation

but not sure if it would look odd being a completely different colour? Picture attached is our front of house. Suggestions more than welcome

Most of what you suggest is possible, I seem to remember the size of a porch has to be less than a certain area (3 m2 maybe) including brick/blockwork or you need planning permission, but check on that as I'm not sure. I think the look of the porch atm is fine matches the house (maybe a new rosewood pvc door), is there a reason you want to change it? is it damp cold etc?

zad · Jan 26, 2015

willin said:
Most of what you suggest is possible, I seem to remember the size of a porch has to be less than a certain area (3 m2 maybe) including brick/blockwork or you need planning permission, but check on that as I'm not sure. I think the look of the porch atm is fine matches the house (maybe a new rosewood pvc door), is there a reason you want to change it? is it damp cold etc?

Reason for changing is its freezing in winter / red hot summer looks fugly and want to make a pitched roof. So my ideas are to use more brick and less windows which will aid keeping warm in winter and cooler in summer.Footprint wise it won't be much different from what is there at the moment, our house is already extended but I think they got screwed by planning and had to step back so as not to look "terraced" but 5 houses up have come forward!! so looks as they say "terraced" lol

Would triple glazed windows make much difference in retaining heat? that could be a possibility I guess.

willin · Jan 27, 2015

zad said:
Reason for changing is its freezing in winter / red hot summer looks fugly and want to make a pitched roof. So my ideas are to use more brick and less windows which will aid keeping warm in winter and cooler in summer.Footprint wise it won't be much different from what is there at the moment, our house is already extended but I think they got screwed by planning and had to step back so as not to look "terraced" but 5 houses up have come forward!! so looks as they say "terraced" lol

Would triple glazed windows make much difference in retaining heat? that could be a possibility I guess.

I don’t think you’re going to get a porch anything other than cold in the winter unless you have some form of heating, increasing the brick/blockwork will not make much difference even if it was double brick and insulated. An insulated pitched roof will make a difference (put a vent tile in) done correctly with lead soakers against those vertical tiles – I’m assuming it will be a hip type roof. New double or triple glazing will definitely help probably with some sort of openers (casement maybe to match down) for the summer. Are you employing a builder or is it DIY?

zad · Jan 27, 2015

willin said:
I don’t think you’re going to get a porch anything other than cold in the winter unless you have some form of heating, increasing the brick/blockwork will not make much difference even if it was double brick and insulated. An insulated pitched roof will make a difference (put a vent tile in) done correctly with lead soakers against those vertical tiles – I’m assuming it will be a hip type roof. New double or triple glazing will definitely help probably with some sort of openers (casement maybe to match down) for the summer. Are you employing a builder or is it DIY?

Yeah hipped would look better, looking into triple glazed you can get pretty much the same u values as a brick/block wall if its warm edged & Argon so would possibly be a cheaper option. Builder will do the windows and roof I will do the inside.

zad · Feb 23, 2015

Update,

So we have had a few quotes in and they are as follows

Replace wooden windows and doors with pvc and composite doors

Solidor 3 windows down middle

@ £1500

Palliado 2 arches full length

@ £1950

These do not include doing the roof, I think around £600 - £800 for roof to be removed and hipped roof put up.

Next were the prices of the remove the whole lot and re-do in brick

£3750 from one chap job done

£2000 for just brick work from one other builder no roof or windows !!!

So now not sure what to do haha we like the £1950 door the best so thinking up to £3000 for the lot saving over £700..

willin · Feb 24, 2015

Very nice door you’ve chose – letterbox at the bottom? I know prices will vary massively around the country, have you tried/are these prices from local window manufacturers who fit as well? They may be a bit more competitive.
The roof is different altogether, depends what’s behind those vertical roof tiles- Marley eternits? If its timber framing which I suspect it is, will be lots more than if it was say blockwork. OR is it just going to butt up to them :NoNo:. Ask the roofer what he is quoting for: - type of tiles – how he will fix the roof to existing if at all – lead work – gutter drainage, downpipe on r/h side - etc

zad · Feb 24, 2015

willin said:
Very nice door you’ve chose – letterbox at the bottom? I know prices will vary massively around the country, have you tried/are these prices from local window manufacturers who fit as well? They may be a bit more competitive.
The roof is different altogether, depends what’s behind those vertical roof tiles- Marley eternits? If its timber framing which I suspect it is, will be lots more than if it was say blockwork. OR is it just going to butt up to them :NoNo:. Ask the roofer what he is quoting for: - type of tiles – how he will fix the roof to existing if at all – lead work – gutter drainage, downpipe on r/h side - etc

No letter box on the door, it will go on the wall under the window..

Roof wise yeah the vert is wood at the back so tiles off and then soakers before retiling down to the new roof. Still undecided tbh its doing my head in haha

zad · May 9, 2015

So finally got the rest of the windows done at the front so here is an after picture

miggy · May 9, 2015

zad said:
So finally got the rest of the windows done at the front so here is an after picture

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Very nice @zad you just need to remove the dog s**t of that flag outside the door now.

zad · May 10, 2015

miggy said:
Very nice @zad you just need to remove the dog s**t of that flag outside the door now.

lol its from the roof, he had just finished and I was impatient

zad · May 10, 2015

My next problem is the internal walls, the one with the rad and to the left of the door I was going to make a frame fasten to floor then fasten to wall and board out?

But then the hinge side not sure what to do very little room, wall is bumpy from the stone, so any suggestions welcome

Bronto · May 10, 2015

You could always plaster them for a nice finish, problem you will have is it looks like the windows are flush with the walls so you will have a small step, easy enough to cap off or a small cill

If I was you I would also change the radiator for a smaller height so it comes down below the window

miggy · May 10, 2015

Have you thought about underfloor heating? Your porch looks a little small for a radiator.

zad · May 10, 2015

Porch is single skinned so plastering the wall near hinge might keep cracking?

The porch is 2.5m x 1.6m easier to put a small rad in than underfloor as its solid and same level as living room etc.

I have asked a local bricky to brick the rad wall and left side of door wall up and tie the stone in to it, I will put a little cill on then. might just board the other wall with insulated plaster board?

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