Energy Efficiency Ideas

It is not about paying itself ... it is about the amount of resources spent/carbon footprint.
I'm quite worried myself about all the Chinese electronics that flood the markets.
All those cheap leds, components and parts have to come from somewhere ...

Very good point, and so many companies seem to think it's OK to shift the 'dirty' manufacturing processes to countries with less regulation.

Energy saving wise ... we need to spend some time on finding out if we really need 24 deg C ..
Going down 1 deg would save a lot during the cold months ...
Hot water ...same ... why do we need to warm the water so that we mix it later with cold?

I think there are potential (legionella?) issues if 'hot' water is stored at less than 60°C. Humans on the other hand can for the most part be stored safely at 23°!
 
Very good point, and so many companies seem to think it's OK to shift the 'dirty' manufacturing processes to countries with less regulation.



I think there are potential (legionella?) issues if 'hot' water is stored at less than 60°C. Humans on the other hand can for the most part be stored safely at 23°!

Those nasty bacteria can be wiped out if heated once a week ...

On the other hand using/ learning our house's thermal inertia is key to obtaining more comfort and savings.
During the summer good glass panes help with UV ... help reduce cooling needs.

Energy efficiency has to do more with our habits!

A few months ago I had to change the dryer .. I spent 50% more on a more efficient one and got the difference back in energy saving
 
rig the meter is best cost saving feature :Cheers:
 
It is not about paying itself ... it is about the amount of resources spent/carbon footprint.
I'm quite worried myself about all the Chinese electronics that flood the markets.
All those cheap leds, components and parts have to come from somewhere ...
This is exactly the same as SOLAR PANELS, the carbon footprint involved in making the panels make them practically useless.

But to the end user there is savings in electricity.

The end user never knows the actual manufacturing process, they would never know that "solar panels" whilst making them a saving on the electricity bill - will never make up the footprint used to actually make them. Well, I do not actually know how long it would take for them to be actually green??? but I read an article some time ago about the process.

Mick
 
Reducing the heat loss from the structure of your house by installing roof/wall insulation and efficient double glazing will make the biggest contribution to reducing your energy bills.
Modern condensing/combi gas boilers are around 90% efficient and will also greatly reduce your energy consumption compared to boilers manufactured in the 1900s. Please note also that electricity costs 3 to 4 times more per kilowatt hour than gas. In general, there are 11.22 kW.hour per cubic metre of gas. Even when on a white meter rate, electricity for heating still costs well over twice as much as gas per kW,hour. It is therefore a no-brainer to use gas if you are connected to the gas mains. The ultimate savings can be made using solar panels, wind turbines and ground source heat pumps. However, these are not cheap to install and will take possibly 10/20 years to repay your investment. The way things are going with carbon fuels I think the way to go in the future is heat pumps, 12 volt solar panels with solar heating and 12 volt lighting and house power using high levels of structure insulation. 12 volt fridges/washers/lighting/boilers/TVs etc. have been around for years and DC power can be stored on existing battery systems. Sorry if this all sounds complicated but I am just thinking aloud !
 
Wind power needs to be exploited more. Turbines are stood down on low demand so there potential is going to waste. Battery storage is not viable but there are other means. I.E. energy transfer. One way would be reseviors and pumping stations so water could be pumped powered by the wind turbines when in low demand. The energy is now stored and can be released through dams and turbines. I know there would be energy loss in the process but the wind energy is free in low demand times. Similar is already done at hydro plants
 
I live in a somewhat warmer climate than the UK can offer, so the whole dynamic is different here. Although heating is required in the winter, it is a much shorter period, 3~4 months, and even then it seldom gets down to single figures.
But electricity here is ridiculously expensive compared to the average salary and there is little competition between the limited number of service providers.
I decided to install some PV solar panels (grid-tied) to offset some of my own consumption. There are no grants or incentives here for this. After some experimentation with a home-made tracker I came to the conclusion that was a waste of effort and not worth the hassle, it worked out better just to spend the money on more panels, space permitting of course.
I ended up with 1.5kW of static panels. They heat the hot water for the most part, once that's hot enough any excess runs the meter backwards (shh!). If it gets really warm in the mid-summer months (it does vary from year to year) the air conditioning may have to come on for a few hours in the evening to cool the bedroom down- it's an A+ rated (inverter) system by Daikin and is remarkably efficient. Also doubles up as heating in the winter.
Building insulation standards here have been improved somewhat in recent years, and all new-builds must have insulation in the floors, walls & ceilings, even the glazing has to meet strict standards. Sadly my house is 10 years old so doesn't have much in the way of insulation, and I'm not buying a new one just for that!
Nonetheless, with a few sensible adjustments (LED lighting, efficient fridge etc.) and with the help of the solar panels, I have reduced the overall consumption to less than half of what it was just over a year ago, so very pleased with that.
I feel it's now at the stage of diminishing returns, where any further improvements are unlikely to be cost-effective.
 
Agree with the 12v thing if you really wanted to you could power everything in the house from 12v. i have done lots of 12v pc installs from cars, boats and cabins in
the woods and the power consumption can be as low as 70 watt with the right stuff
 
Agree with the 12v thing if you really wanted to you could power everything in the house from 12v. i have done lots of 12v pc installs from cars, boats and cabins in
the woods and the power consumption can be as low as 70 watt with the right stuff

I agree. Also IANB mentions wind turbines as viable option. If the wind turbine delivers a voltage of 12 volts DC then no invertor losses would be necessary. Also as most turbines are variable speed (depending on the wind speed) then 12 volts is ideal for battery charging using either wind or solar panels. Batteries are ideal to manage the overnight load.
 
Has the price of solar panels gone down recently? Or are the cost:return ratios still ridiculous for those? Last I heard, the Chinese Government was heavily subsidizing those industries, so maybe soon it might be worth running.
 
I agree. Also IANB mentions wind turbines as viable option. If the wind turbine delivers a voltage of 12 volts DC then no invertor losses would be necessary. Also as most turbines are variable speed (depending on the wind speed) then 12 volts is ideal for battery charging using either wind or solar panels. Batteries are ideal to manage the overnight load.

Batteries are expensive and they don't last forever, so they'll be expensive again. My view is they are only really viable where a grid connection is not an option.

Has the price of solar panels gone down recently? Or are the cost:return ratios still ridiculous for those? Last I heard, the Chinese Government was heavily subsidizing those industries, so maybe soon it might be worth running.

Prices are coming down gradually but not so noticeably here in the EU as the Germans are trying to protect their own industry from the discounted Chinese efforts. Even so, they can be got (here) for less that 1€/watt in ready-made panels, a lot less if you're prepared to assemble them yourself. Factor in the price of a decent inverter and financial payback still takes several years- assuming nothing goes wrong.
As for environmental payback, (CO2 manufacturing Vs CO2 saved) the picture isn't so rosy.
 
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