When we leave the E.U I wonder if?

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We will be able to go back to washing machines that have a hot and cold fill.

I still don't know how a washing machine that washes for over 2 hours (motor continually agitating) and uses electricity to heat cold water up to 60 degrees is more energy efficient than a washing machine that only washes for 45 minutes (using gas to heat the water i.e combi boiler)and uses half the amount of energy in kwhs to achieve the same temperature, not only does gas use half as much energy, the cost is about a quarter of the cost of an electricity kwh.

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When we leave the E.U I wonder if?
 
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Ooooh maybe we'll be able to buy vacuum cleaners with more power again too ??
 
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Found this on a plumbing site:

"In the vast majority of modern UK homes the hot water is supplied either from a tank or from a combination or condenser boiler system.
This means that the water, whether it is stored or "instant" has to travel from the source to the machine itself via the home's pipework.
In reality with a modern machine this almost inevitably means that by the time that the machine has filled all you've done is fill with the cold water that was lying in the plumbing and filling the pipes with that hot water that you thought you drew. This is a total waste of energy and, in the end the machine will continue and heat to the desired temperature anyway.
It also means that there will be almost no saving if indeed there is any at all, on time."

So hot fill doesn't seem very sensible.
 
Found this on a plumbing site:

"In the vast majority of modern UK homes the hot water is supplied either from a tank or from a combination or condenser boiler system.
This means that the water, whether it is stored or "instant" has to travel from the source to the machine itself via the home's pipework.
In reality with a modern machine this almost inevitably means that by the time that the machine has filled all you've done is fill with the cold water that was lying in the plumbing and filling the pipes with that hot water that you thought you drew. This is a total waste of energy and, in the end the machine will continue and heat to the desired temperature anyway.
It also means that there will be almost no saving if indeed there is any at all, on time."

So hot fill doesn't seem very sensible.

Good point .................
If the washing machine is on a dedicated circuit, but I have never seen that.
Run the hot water tap near to the washing machine until the water runs hot, then start the washing machine.

Save time and save money.
Simples
 
Purely from an electricity point of view, not water usage: Washing machines could be made which would measure the hot water inlet temperature and after, say 20s, if the water wasn't hotter than the cold inlet don't bother using it. I'm not sure how that works out with extra parts and solenoid valve prices but it would be easy to implement. (Patent Pending. Spectre, DW, 25.03.2017).

Vacuums (I call them Hoovers too) are what caught my attention when there was some 1.6kW EU imposed cap on motor rating. Apart from the actual suction/cleaning efficiency aspect I suspect the ban is something to do with lowering demand spikes caused by an ever increasing population. There was something about hair dryers and toasters:

EU to launch kettle and toaster crackdown after Brexit vote

Heating bits of wire can't really get much more efficient. I'm sure toasters and dryers have been done to death and an optimum efficiency has been found. Recently, as above, the EU decide these power requirements are too high. So toaster and dryer will be on for longer at a lower power.

I believe it is something to do with flattening the demand so the creaky grid can cope better. From seminars and whatnot that I attend, some interconnects from the continent are being run at higher than the design capacity albeit at shorter lifespan already.
 
yep toasters , so now you got toast the bread 2 or maybe 3 times to get a nice golden brown colour and leave the dryer on longer or the kettle takes longer to boil your water etc etc .. no actual savings in the end just euro crap justifying there so called jobs and power trips ........
 
Purely from an electricity point of view, not water usage: Washing machines could be made which would measure the hot water inlet temperature and after, say 20s, if the water wasn't hotter than the cold inlet don't bother using it. I'm not sure how that works out with extra parts and solenoid valve prices but it would be easy to implement. (Patent Pending. Spectre, DW, 25.03.2017).

Vacuums (I call them Hoovers too) are what caught my attention when there was some 1.6kW EU imposed cap on motor rating. Apart from the actual suction/cleaning efficiency aspect I suspect the ban is something to do with lowering demand spikes caused by an ever increasing population. There was something about hair dryers and toasters:

EU to launch kettle and toaster crackdown after Brexit vote

Heating bits of wire can't really get much more efficient. I'm sure toasters and dryers have been done to death and an optimum efficiency has been found. Recently, as above, the EU decide these power requirements are too high. So toaster and dryer will be on for longer at a lower power.

I believe it is something to do with flattening the demand so the creaky grid can cope better. From seminars and whatnot that I attend, some interconnects from the continent are being run at higher than the design capacity albeit at shorter lifespan already.

I don't know why someone hasn't brought out a halogen toaster or dryer yet.
Instant heat, instead of warming up a piece of wire.
 
what happens if the water from the hot tap is hotter than the program selected..

might ruin yer silky knickers before the machine has a chance to add some cold water..:flame:
 
I don't know why someone hasn't brought out a halogen toaster or dryer yet.
Instant heat, instead of warming up a piece of wire.
I have no idea of the efficiency but probably too expensive to produce. I don't know much about the physics of toasting but I guess it requires infra red radiation so producing visible light might be wasteful :). Bits of food splatter and crumbs would get on the glass envelopes and make them fail early, so I think there is a reliability issue with halogen lamps too.

what happens if the water from the hot tap is hotter than the program selected..

might ruin yer silky knickers before the machine has a chance to add some cold water..
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Internal mixer valve (Patent Pending, Spectre, Buzzer, DW, 25.03.2017).
 
Is it just me, or........ :err:

Run the tap for a few minutes to save the water being heated by electric elements which costs 4 times as much and takes 10 times as long then reduce the time that the motor runs by 60%
seems pretty sensible to me
 
what happens if the water from the hot tap is hotter than the program selected..

might ruin yer silky knickers before the machine has a chance to add some cold water..:flame:

A dual fill washing machine fills thus.
If the wash program selected is 60 degrees or above the washing machine uses hot water to fill only.
If the temperature selected is between 40 degrees and 60 degrees the washing machine fills with hot and cold water.
If the temperature selected is less than 40 degrees the washing machine fills with cold water only.
 
A dual fill washing machine fills thus.
If the wash program selected is 60 degrees or above the washing machine uses hot water to fill only.
If the temperature selected is between 40 degrees and 60 degrees the washing machine fills with hot and cold water.
If the temperature selected is less than 40 degrees the washing machine fills with cold water only.

what if you you select a 65 degree program and the water from the hot tap is 80 degrees.. :proud:
 
Really, wash the f****** in the bath, who's got the mangle.
 
Britain isn't exactly "awash" with washing machine manufacturers . Is there just the one?
Maybe exciting times ahead but I believe that re-introducing the red hose will be far down the list
 
Britain isn't exactly "awash" with washing machine manufacturers . Is there just the one?
Maybe exciting times ahead but I believe that re-introducing the red hose will be far down the list
Dyson moved manufacturing :).
 
So will it mean i can make a Cornish pasty outside Cornwall, and fill it and crimp it anyway i like?
 
So will it mean i can make a Cornish pasty outside Cornwall, and fill it and crimp it anyway i like?
Probably not, before the insidious EU we all knew that Cornish pasties were either from there or "in the style of" and Shropshire Blue cheese was from cows in Inverness.
 
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