Moving abroad

Just a splinter thread here . I noticed how many people were saying retire and move abroad has anyone thought that with all that going on in thè back ground visa's for Europe no automatic entry never mind being able to stay . This brexit thing might put a stop to some of these plans . What you think

Can't imagine any problems whatsoever. Retiring abroad is far different to emigration. No drain on the Countries finances through claiming benefits, medical treatment either through insurance or a short flight home.
Many places mentioned are almost completely reliant on tourism so can't see anything changing which might affect their revenue.

Your more than likely right mate . Just I'm watch the news daily and these EU threats seem to be bordering on the silly . Remember few years back Spain basically took over some vilas built over there by other nationals

Its all a bit of sabre rattling before the real brexit negotiations kick off.

chookey said:

Can't imagine any problems whatsoever. Retiring abroad is far different to emigration. No drain on the Countries finances through claiming benefits, medical treatment either through insurance or a short flight home.
Many places mentioned are almost completely reliant on tourism so can't see anything changing which might affect their revenue.

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As someone who lives in Spain, although I don't work I am not retired, the main worry for expats here, especially those who are retired is the reciprocal health care.
Currently, once you draw a UK pension you can relinquish your NHS cover in the UK for full health care in Spain (or any EU country), you receive a 'tarjeta sanitaria' health care card free of charge, all treatments are charged back to the NHS, so Spain do not lose out.

So what happens if this is withdrawn are the uk leaves does your private insurance cover it ?

dantis said:

As someone who lives in Spain, although I don't work I am not retired, the main worry for expats here, especially those who are retired is the reciprocal health care.
Currently, once you draw a UK pension you can relinquish your NHS cover in the UK for full health care in Spain (or any EU country), you receive a 'tarjeta sanitaria' health care card free of charge, all treatments are charged back to the NHS, so Spain do not lose out.

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There's also the problem of 'frozen' pensions. The pensions of UK citizens living in EU countries is index linked. It's frozen in most other countries. A UK pensioner living in places like Canada or Australia who retired on £67.50 in 2000, still only gets £67.50 a week.

I have full Spanish healthcare but through a contributory scheme called 'convenio especial', this basically covers anyone under 65 who is not covered by employment or self-employment schemes. It costs 60 euros a month per person.

nara said:

There's also the problem of 'frozen' pensions. The pensions of UK citizens living in EU countries is index linked. It's frozen in most other countries. A UK pensioner living in places like Canada or Australia who retired on £67.50 in 2000, still only gets £67.50 a week.

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That is quite true, however, we could enter into a bilateral agreement with EEA countries once we exit, so that the pension increases anually, we have this agreement with the USA for example.

dantis said:

That is quite true, however, we could enter into a bilateral agreement with EEA countries once we exit, so that the pension increases anually, we have this agreement with the USA for example.

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The whole Brexit philosophy is littered with "we could" and "we might" suppositions. There are more Brit pensioners living in Australia and Canada, which are Commonwealth countries, than in the USA, yet we never managed to get a reciprocal agreement with them.

nara said:

The whole Brexit philosophy is littered with "we could" and "we might" suppositions. There are more Brit pensioners living in Australia and Canada, which are Commonwealth countries, than in the USA, yet we never managed to get a reciprocal agreement with them.

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That's right @nara "we could" and "we might" are a bit like "ifs" and "buts" - ie: if my Aunt had Bollox she would be my Uncle - a total nonsensical statement (unless you are @huggi or @Dutcho)

Just like a lot of statements and claims from either side of the Brexit divide

It will be what it will be, we will have no "Real" say in any of it

Surely it can affect anyone already living there . Say you have been in Spain or Italy. 10 years working paying your way would you have to apply for citizenship to stay ?

countryboy said:

Surely it can affect anyone already living there . Say you have been in Spain or Italy. 10 years working paying your way would you have to apply for citizenship to stay ?

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I reckon that's all going to be included in the exit negotiations mate and probably hundreds of other similar issues. That's why it takes years to sort out.

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Surely it can affect anyone already living there . Say you have been in Spain or Italy. 10 years working paying your way would you have to apply for citizenship to stay ?

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Probably not, the Vienna Convention 1969 protects the rights of people who have settled in a country, if the subsequent law changes, they still have the right to remain under that convention.

In practice mass exodus from Spain and the like would be a disaster, so I really cannot see any issues.

I have Spanish residency so feel comfortable that come the time I will be free to remain legally in Spain.

There will be no problems for those wishing to retire abroad, all the Brexit stories are nothing more than scare mongering. In fact I suspect countries like France, Spain, Bulgaria and many others will welcome with open arms anyone retiring to that country.
Many people retired to Spain and other countries long before we joined the Common Market as it was then and there were no problems then and there will be no problems in the future.
Yes people may be expected to have Medical Insurance but that is even expected now even for holidaymakers because at the moments those holidaymakers are only covered on a minimum treatment basis without insurance.
So the main problem is the bullshit spoken by those too young to know what the situation was prior to EU membership.