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The BBC is to spy on internet users in their homes - and sniff out those watching iPlayer without paying the TV Licence fee.
The Beeb is set to employ Wi-Fi detection vans to prosecute people illegally watching its programmes online.
From September the broadcaster will use information from private Wi-Fi networks in homes.
The corporation has been given the right to use the new technology - normally used by police and security services.

For crying out loud just get rid off this fee!!
Its not a fee. (more tv tax) You have to pay it.
Its now 2016 if you want something you pay for it and if you dont want it you dont pay.
Some people love the BBC (have the option to pay)
Some dont rate it for value for money (have option NOT to pay)
The only thing i "ever" watched was topgear and i say no more about that.
 
river4ever said:
The BBC is to spy on internet users in their homes - and sniff out those watching iPlayer without paying the TV Licence fee.
The Beeb is set to employ Wi-Fi detection vans to prosecute people illegally watching its programmes online.
From September the broadcaster will use information from private Wi-Fi networks in homes.
The corporation has been given the right to use the new technology - normally used by police and security services.

For crying out loud just get rid off this fee!!
Its not a fee. (more tv tax) You have to pay it.
Its now 2016 if you want something you pay for it and if you dont want it you dont pay.
Some people love the BBC (have the option to pay)
Some dont rate it for value for money (have option NOT to pay)
The only thing i "ever" watched was topgear and i say no more about that.
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Are these the same detector vans with nothing more than a list of houses without licences in the back?

Utter comedy...

"Sir Amyas Morse, the comptroller and auditor general of the NAO, writes in the report: “Detection vans can identify viewing on a non-TV device in the same way that they can detect viewing on a television set.
“BBC staff were able to demonstrate this to my staff in controlled conditions sufficient for us to be confident that they could detect viewing on a range of non-TV devices.”"

BBC to deploy detection vans to snoop on internet users

"Detection vans can identify viewing on a non-TV device in the same way that they can detect viewing on a television set".

No, no, they cannot. Try to get some money from James Randi with that one.

They realise no-one would pay for their outdated left-wing mouthpiece service and now want to charge iPlayer viewers. Previously, viewers of "catch-up" and suchlike content were not required to have a licence.

Without actually seeing your screen they have no way of knowing what you were looking at without some kind of packet analysis and then I think that is questionable :).

Just read some more and they are postulating that encrypted packets of the correct form are evidence of watching these catch up services.
 
be nice if they would put cost to getting decent viewing for the masses
 
What would the odds be that someone was actually viewing online when they show up? I can't believe they are also still denying that detector vans weren't anything more than a scare tactic. When did you last see one? I'm sure they disappeared long before the digital switchover.

If anyone was using online channels regularly they could just use cable runs, switches or home networks over the mains. They could then turn their wireless off.
 
they'd be hard pressed to detect the wifi from my sh*tty sooperhub, i have problems detecting it in the house..

and what would be the point anyways? you have to buy a license if your using wifi?
 
The old detector vans used to detect the output of the old CRT TVs, wonder how they got on after the move to flat screens & especially the latest which are lower power
 
a friend of mine used to work for tv licensing.
he used to drive the around area's that they were targeting, they call this "flying the flag".

the van did have a computer in back that could allegedly detect tv's but he had no idea how to use it, they basically work off a database and knock on the door of any address that didn't have a license..
 
Sounds like hacking to Me, what a strange use of the new stopping terrerism laws. If they think there service is so great then scramble it, or someone should start one of those 100,000 people things, to make them consider it in parliament.
 
sneaker said:
Sounds like hacking to Me, what a strange use of the new stopping terrerism laws. If they think there service is so great then scramble it, or someone should start one of those 100,000 people things, to make them consider it in parliament.
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It is hacking. But the BBC think there a power above everyone else.
The only legal way now not to pay the tv tax is not to have a tv or internet.
Reminds me of ISIS law.

When you buy a tv licence why don't they give you a login details to use Iplayer. Sly have it with Sly Go.
Quicker this tv tax is done away with the better.
I don't want it yet they make me pay £145 a year.
But I do think the BBC just leaked this story for scare tactics.
Just a shame there tv presenters wages don't come to the publics attention after all we are paying there wage.
In years to come when the tv tax is done away with we will all be thinking back on "how they got away with charging us for something we didn't want"
Then being criminalised for it if you don't pay!!
 
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river4ever said:
It is hacking. But the BBC think there a power above everyone else.
The only legal way now not to pay the tv tax is not to have a tv or internet.
Reminds me of ISIS law.

When you buy a tv licence why don't they give you a login details to use Iplayer. Sly have it with Sly Go.
Quicker this tv tax is done away with the better.
I don't want it yet they make me pay £145 a year.
But I do think the BBC just leaked this story for scare tactics.
Just a shame there tv presenters wages don't come to the publics attention after all we are paying there wage.
In years to come when the tv tax is done away with we will all be thinking back on "how they got away with charging us for something we didn't want"
Then being criminalised for it if you don't pay!!
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i think your spot on, why not use log ins?
nowtv , netflix etc manage it no problem...

there's other problems with this setup anyways...

if my 5 year old daughter managed to find iplayer on her tablet without me knowing, am i liable for the license?
if i accidently forget to secure my wifi network and a neighbour uses it to watch i player, whos at fault then?

so its ok to watch via your network data service but not on wifi.. load of p*sh if you ask me...

they would be better off spending their (our) money securing their services , rather than wasting it on this bollocks...
 
cappuccino99 said:
The old detector vans used to detect the output of the old CRT TVs, wonder how they got on after the move to flat screens & especially the latest which are lower power
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We engineers in the old crt days, used to detect if the line output transformer was producing the extra high voltage by holding a neon tester screwdriver close to it. The screwdriver would light if all was well.
Would be nothing short of a miracle for a van parked outside to detect anything from a crt screen,short of looking through the window. How they would then convert this fantasy output into being able to tell which channel you were watching would be an even greater miracle.
 
chookey said:
We engineers in the old crt days, used to detect if the line output transformer was producing the extra high voltage by holding a neon tester screwdriver close to it. The screwdriver would light if all was well.
Would be nothing short of a miracle for a van parked outside to detect anything from a crt screen,short of looking through the window. How they would then convert this fantasy output into being able to tell which channel you were watching would be an even greater miracle.
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I was always under the impression that the van could detect an RF signal which is given off by a CRT TV?
 
The correct name for a television is a television receiver, likewise a radio is a radio receiver. The clue is in the name. Having worked extensively on both I can assure you there is no circuit capable of transmitting or re-radiating any rf further than a couple of inches.
 
Donzer32 said:
if u think the beeb are bad, the irish state broadcaster rte are crookedest of crooks, raking in ad revenue as well as shaking us down for a 160euro licence
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Ouch! Thats indeed taking the pisss.

Bit like those Sky twats. :(

:)
 
I think a few are missing the op, it is about them cracking Your internet and finding out what Your ip is doing, like watching live iplayer.

they would be better off spending their (our) money securing their services , rather than wasting it on this bollocks...
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And stop spending on repeats, as I thought that is what iplayer did, and dvb recorders did. Basically offer a better 21st century service.

You know they won't as it wouldn't last the Year.
 
To see what they claim they are going to watch, install Wireshark on a laptop.

They probably could see connections to IP addresses related to iPlayer and the other services they mention, unless you use a VPN or other type of proxy.

Of course, without collaboration of ISPs, and if you use wired Ethernet, nothing is visible :).
 
The corporation has been given the right to use the new technology - normally used by police and security services.
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I can't say I know what this means, but I still think the way the beeb operates it is wrong.
 
As @chookey says, it is nothing more than scare tactics designed to entice the dumb masses into parting with their hard-earned. In other words yet more lies from the BBC.
Up until a few years ago I used to admire the BBC as an organisation. Now I see it as nothing more than another money-grabbing propaganda machine.
Biassed Broadcasting Con-merchants?
 
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