dmca tactic ?? streaming and the demise of download sites.

since i started using sh**box , G*G and ***corntime

(( havent named them fully as anything i draw attention to gets shut down lol.. if you use them you`ll know what sites and apps i mean)

i have stopped downloading as i can get my fix of series ,
movies and even music/games from them.

the result -
I`m no longer active in the scene at all
Once upon a time i was a mod on fxp boards,
then moved down to nzb`s as they were easier
and now streaming.

so what happens when the dmca get our provider to pull the plug on all streams,
its already started on xbmc with the demise of icefilms
and due to lack of activity, nzb sites are shutting.
https://www.digitalworldz.co.uk/general-chat-8/416224-nzb-sites-closing.html

Downloading is a dying art.
What will happen when streaming gets stopped, all sites are gone and we have lost contact with our 'contacts'


i think things are changing, and not for the better

regards
jase

Things will always change, but it will just mean a different way of operating or from a different source, while there is a demand for something a way will always be found to supply that demand.
Just think about the quality of downloads now, not so many years ago the grainiest bit of old rubbish was acceptable, so I don't think it will be a demise, but it will become more elitist again.
DMCA appear to be so active because downloading and streaming had become more or less mainstream and available to everyone with very little effort.

Back to private ftp sites filled/traded by the 'curry groups'

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Or rent a plex server. Kind of a private steaming service

it applies to anything 'under the radar'. Once it's NOT under the radar and so widespread, they have to be seen to be cracking down.

Once it's beyond the reach of Mr Everyday they turn their attentions to something else. There will always be a way, new technologies and methods developed all the time

Icefilms still works providing you use the new url PLUS a VPN

slightly of topic but one of the options the EPLare considering is broadcasting all games exclusive online 7 days a week subscription service once they decide who wins the rights

if that happens would see a massive crackdown on streaming surely

friendzi said:

Or rent a plex server. Kind of a private steaming service

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plex doesn't help if you you can't get the content in the first place.
NZB are just fine, you need to setup automated downloading. Free server with my ISP is just fine.
Kodi plug-ins are also fine, you need to proxy some of them.

TBH, aside from sport I hardly watch anything live and with a netflix subscription I've got access to more cr*p then the family can watch.

True. But with the income that brings its not hard to rip a hard copy of a dvd. You will still get better content that netflix

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True. But with the income that brings its not hard to rip a hard copy of a dvd. You will still get better content that netflix

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But with the income that brings its not hard to rip a hard copy of a dvd ? Sorry what was this in reference to ?

You will still get better content that netflix ? I presume you mean better content then netflix. Thing is I am sure there are many people would like to be legal (and have virgin media, sky, etc subscriptions) and if the movie studios and TV stations actually pulled their fingers out and recognise the changing habits of viewers they would stop downloading illegally. How many people are concerned that they watch a cr*p quality of a film as soon as its out in the cinema or willing to wait for blu-ray rip a couple of months later ? I suspect most people are happy to wait.

As I said, I have a virgin media subscription and combined with Netflix, I have enough content to keep myself and my family going for many years to come.

Physical media and its economical structure are dying, these 'publishers' that have ripped artists and consumers for years are being forced to change, kicking and screaming. They don't want change, they want us to keep paying them for pressed plastic. Online/virtual/cloud services will easily over take dvd sales as they follow vhs, floppy and minidiscs into history


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Love them or hate them, Torrents are still alive and well

Never got into torrents , i've always used nzb.
All this stuff about seeding ? put me off.

We get everything we need from the newsgroups all the TV shows we want to watch. Just setup Sabnzbd for automated RSS downloads from a couple of NZB sites. When those sites die there will be others, or I'll go back to running my own newznab server.

We don't bother with films much but always wait until a decent blu-ray rip is available. No point spending a ton of cash on a large HD tv and then watching crappy low res AVI's.

Peeps seem the get NZB's and newsgroups mixed up. An NZB file is just the same as a torrent file, which is a text file which points your downloading program in the right direction to get the goods.

They can shut as many NZB websites down as they like, but the goods will still be on the newsgroup servers, unlike torrents that don't have servers as such. Newsgroups existed long before NZB files (or torrents and even the world wide web). I don't think they will be going anywhere soon.

Admitidly though there is a lot more crap on them now.

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They can shut as many NZB websites down as they like, but the goods will still be on the newsgroup servers, unlike torrents that don't have servers as such. Newsgroups existed long before NZB files (or torrents and even the world wide web). I don't think they will be going anywhere soon.

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I'm not entirely sure about that. I believe Giganews , highwinds and astra (and their resellers) carry > 98% of all usenet traffic.

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I'm not entirely sure about that. I believe Giganews , highwinds and astra (and their resellers) carry > 98% of all usenet traffic.

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Giganews, Highwinds and Astraweb are newsgroup servers they are NOT NZB websites.

You can download from the newsgroups without ever having to mess with NZB files, and you certainly don't need NZB files to upload.

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Giganews, Highwinds and Astraweb are newsgroup servers they are NOT NZB websites.

You can download from the newsgroups without ever having to mess with NZB files, and you certainly don't need NZB files to upload.

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The point I am making is that there are only 3 providers for the DMCA boys to target to make a big difference to usenet. They already take down posts as it is, how much more effort would it be to really disrupt usenet ?

It's almost just as easy to use binsearch as any nzb sites,so like Captin said it will go on for a long time yet.

I think you are missing @onemans point,

Most of the actual files, not nzbs, are hosted on the above mentioned servers, so regardless of what way you get the nzbs, if the files are not there, there not there

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The point I am making is that there are only 3 providers for the DMCA boys to target to make a big difference to usenet. They already take down posts as it is, how much more effort would it be to really disrupt usenet ?

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I C Sorry m8 I was getting the wrong end of the stick.

I think that you are right up to a certain point. The take downs of TV shows only seem to be the ones that are correctly named and unprotected by passwords.

Many forums and NZB sites use scrambled filename and passworded RAR's etc... these nearly always never get touched by takedowns.

The DMCA has been at this game for quite a while now and they have always gone for the easy targets, torrents, because if you take down the otrrens sites then the files themselves get taken down. They have also always tried to concentrate on the uploaders, technically if you are using torrents you are also uploading as you are downloading, it's just the way torrents work.

Newsgroups is a oneway street for the downloaders so the peeps doing the downloading get away with more. The DMCZ goes for the easy targets the NZB websites, up to now they have not gone for the servers themselves, and would be quite difficult for them to stop all files unless they get the passwords, download the files, and unpack them to verify that the files are indeed subjects to be taken down.

They would also get as pissed off as us downloaders with all the bogus password protected files floasting round the newsgroups too. It seems that for every 10 files for a specific film/tv show, 7 are bogus these days.