TM800HD/VU+Solo Comparison

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Taken from what I said in another thread
I was shown in depth the differences between the much talked about vu+ solo and the TM800,Ill try and do a write up on that later for you :) I was very surprised what he was telling me tbh

I was typing this out last night and finished this morning,trying to remember what I was told and done a bit of searching myself

hope this helps members make a decision with at least these 2 receivers

make your own decision on what you get for your money........

Please note Scart should be
TM800HD 2
VU+Solo 1

typo on my part
Rat
 
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Hi mate, to be honest half those things that you have for the TM don't work yet do they?
It's a hardware v hardware review you need from someone who has both thats for sure.
 
yes but they hopefully will be working in time ?

I saw them both yesterday in store

Im not out to make one look better than the other here mate
I done a small write up to show the differences and tbh the TM800 imo is the better overal buy

but the comparison is there for all to make there own mind up :)
 
Lot of things wrong on your post Rat mate.
Your spec says solo has no scart or wifi or pvr etc This is not true.
I suggest it is removed or adjusted mate.
Also VU has 3rd party support not beta testing by the people buying it lol
Heres a brief VU solo spec
SPECIFICATION:

Open-Source Linux Betriebssystem (Enigma2)

· Broadcom Mips Prozessor 333 Mhz

· DVB-S2 Tuner

· MPEG2/ H.264 Hardware decoding (DVB )

· 2 x CI- (Alpha Crypt, Cryptoworks, Viaccess, Seca, Conax, ...)

· 1x Smartcard-Reader (Conax Embedded)

· 2 x USB2.0

· 10/100 Mbit Ethernet Interface

· 1 x V.24/RS232

· 1 x HDMI

· 1 x Scart

· 1 x YPrPb

· 1 x S/PDIF für digitale Audio (optical )

· 1 x RCA Video

· 2 x RCA Audio (L/R)

· Zaping < 1 Sec

· MP3 Player and JPG

· Plugin Support (JPEG,MP3,XVID...)

· EPG (electronic program guide)

· OSD , Skin - Videotext

· DiSEqC 1.o,1.1 and1.2

Wireless optional ...Support.
 
IMO, the TM800 is crippled until they release the source code and let others write for the hardware.

Support support support.
 
Witchy look at att Rat has posted and tell me what actually works or is beneficial?
VU has excellent 3rd party support and the price may be about to drop!
Already the duo can be had for 369 from elsewhere and thats not the end of it maybe.
 
LOL @ that comparisn list. I have marked my calander and will revist this post in 6 months and see if the TM800 is working and supported to the same level as the solo.
 
sorry a typo on my part on scarts should say TM800 =2 ,.... VU+Solo =1

I'm not out to prove anything here lol I'm just pointing out some things and it seems the TM800 is getting knocked a lot and being compared to the VU+Solo
so I decided to do a comparison

TM isn't completely finished firmware I totally agree with that,but look at the build quality in the photos look at the list and think whats it will be like in a fre months for the price compared to Solo

its certainly needs a price drop Manic as it looks like a budget freeview box you get from Argos tbh

as said I put up a comparison use it if you like ...ignor if you don't ....Simples :)
 
IMO, the TM800 is crippled until they release the source code and let others write for the hardware.

Support support support.


excatly :) :) soon as this happens the tm800 will progress leaps and bounds
unfortunalty i cant see it though lol

cheers

osborne82
 
Here's the way I see it, this is only my opinion.

I'm sure many of you will have a use for some of the functions that I don't.

At the end of the day, I agree with Rat, the TM800 *is* better value for money, the hardware seems more refined and it boasts many features that the Solo doesn't. However, and this is only my opinion, unless Technomate release the source code and allow Joe Blogs to develop add-ons, plug-ins and entire images then the box has little appeal for me. I like a box with a range of different images to pick and chose from, then a host of add-ons available to add and remove as I please.

Customisation, freedom of choice and support is what I want.

Wi-fi - TM800 wins.
Scarts - TM800 wins.
VFD - TM800 Wins.
Cooling Fan - Makes no difference unless it is required.
PLI - Vu+ Solo Wins - much better support.
RGB Loop - TM800 Wins.
Full PVR - TM800 Wins.
Card Reader - Draw.
CI - Vu+ Solo Wins.
LNB Loop - TM800 Wins.
Detachable Cable - TM800 Wins (if this important to you).
3 Pin UK - TM800 Wins (if this is important to you).
Modulator - TM800 Wins (but who would want to use a HD box on RF?)
Blue Main Board - Urm, What? :err:
Internal Twin Scart Shield - TM800 Wins.
Front Panel Tagel Switch - A what?
Off/On Switch - TM800 Wins.
UHF Hot Key - Not important IMO.
LAN Hot Key - Not important IMO.
Satellite Button Hot Key - Not important IMO.
Info Hot Key - Not important IMO.
USB Hot Key - Not important IMO.
Bookmark Hot Key - Not important IMO.
Full Board Mainboard Power Supply - Not sure what difference this makes.
Soft Cam Hot Key - Not important IMO.
Image Download Hot Key - TM800 Wins.
Mini Web - TM800 Wins.
Beta Testing Direct - TM800 Wins - but it's hardly a feature, lol
Number of Remote Keys - Vu+ Solo Wins - the less number of keys the better IMO.
Internal Esata - TM800 wins, but should this come under the Full PVR point anyway?
Poly Switch- Tuner Protection - I don't know what this is.
Tuner Sheild - TM800 Wins.
PVR List Hot Key - Not important IMO.
TV-AV Hot Key - Not important IMO.
Timer Hot Key - Not important IMO.
On Screen Positioner - Not important IMO.
 
sorry a typo on my part on scarts should say TM800 =2 ,.... VU+Solo =1

I'm not out to prove anything here lol I'm just pointing out some things and it seems the TM800 is getting knocked a lot and being compared to the VU+Solo
so I decided to do a comparison

TM isn't completely finished firmware I totally agree with that,but look at the build quality in the photos look at the list and think whats it will be like in a fre months for the price compared to Solo

its certainly needs a price drop Manic as it looks like a budget freeview box you get from Argos tbh

as said I put up a comparison use it if you like ...ignor if you don't ....Simples :)
Its just so silly to compare these receivers. They compete in a different league to each other. The VU+ being open source and well supported, while the tm800 isn't. Rat, maybe you refer to 'comparing' when people suggest to pay the slight extra and go for a decent supported receiver? Imho though, comparing them is done by tm800 owners trying to keep morale and justify reasons for having a tm800. You can own a fiesta and say how it is better than a more expensive Jaguar. Yes they do they same job, yes the fiesta wins on economy or whatever, but they arent in the same bracket for ownership.
Perhaps compare a tm800 with a dm800 clone to show why it is worth buying. Or maybe compare with other well supported closed source options like spiderbox or mvision etc?
 
Or maybe compare with other well supported closed source options like spiderbox or mvision etc?

ATM, the Spiderbox and Mvision are far better value for money, especially as everything works.

Loads of people, including myself, were told that the TM800 was going to be open source, that was the only reason I opted for a Technomate.

I thought to myself "oh a HD box from Technomate and it'll run all those lovely E2 builds, I want one", but what did I get? A TM800 with a closed source firmware and no signs of it ever being released to the public.

I'm keeping the box until the firmware matches up with what it says on the tin, then, if there is no sign that TM are going to open the box for 3rd party Devs then I'll almost certainly be selling it on.

I'll have a look at the Clone DM800 market first to see if it has advanced any, if not then I'll have a VU+ Solo.
 
manic01
rat made a simple hardware -hot key-functions comparison also explained about scart which you did not read fully.

as a beta tester I had solo for some time now.
in my opinion it has been made on a budget very cheap with most functions missing{Even back panel is not painted few pence saving }
1-wifi in tm can be fitted with an internal n+ super sensitive pcb which has wider rang
{ in solo can not also using external n+ will cost much more please shop around do not compare to £10 or £40 USB which is g }
2-since day one each image was released was not beta ,fully tested by ur team and fully explained non ready functions in each release
if you did read them ?
also understood from tm at this moment there are 3 teams doing different images .you will have surprise of your life when they are out.
I promised not to release any info
3-broadcom 330mhz -nxp dual core is 335 mhz
4-all hd box should have S2 tuner
5-any hd box has MPEG2/4 H.264 Hardware decoding (DVB )
6-tm has multi card reader also conex as well as other encryptions
7-tm and solo has USB 2 and 10/100 Mbit Ethernet Interface
8-tm and solo has V.24/RS232
9-tm and solo has hdmi out -rca video audio out-
10-tm and solo has MP3 Player and JPG· Plugin Support (JPEG,MP3,XVID...)· EPG (electronic program guide)· OSD , Skin - Videotext· DiSEqC 1.o,1.1 1.2
11-I got this feeling that tm will include wifi as default and keep same price.
answer to if solo come down in price by let say £50 even that will be more expensive.
12-your others post talk about twin tuner being £369-but I am not talking about that
I am talking about solo {OK }
mickbrush
You are so pessimistic that you want the death of this box
I contacted tm on Friday understood there will be at least 2 image before mid July with
resolution-pvr-and many more functions fixed
you will be very disappointed to hear that or happy ?
witchy
Your table of comparison is wrong.
1-cooling fan was so much of big deal from all of you
so tm took note and did it no cost to any of you and me {now not relevant } can you test solo after about 3 to 4 hours you can fry few eggs on it.
2-there is no pli image in solo may be ready by end of this year {do not understand why non of you complain as it is not even started ]
3-detachable cable - 3 pin cost more to make also for wiring is very easy to use
so solo did not to save money also illegal to sell with 2 pin in uk .
4-modulator UHF Hot Key according to satellite news magazine in uk over 60% of house hold using for second room
also cost more money to make solo has not got it
5-Front Panel Tagel Switch is for when trying to fix a problem without TV screen.
6-all hot keys to save time.{OK} why do not you next to eacheothrer and test {the time wasting you will experience with solo }
can you time it in solo or any dream box how long it will take not using hot key tm is instant
7-on screen positioner is very handy when your need a bit more signal just press that button .
8-poly switch cost money it is to protect from constant lnb cable short.just think if fox has chewed cable or damg to the cable
tm will carry on working until danger point after that it will switch off the box.but when this happen to other box it will blow fuse or damage tuner
9-in many conversations with tm I was told
they will release source files when all drivers are ready .many of you pushing and pushing as you did when most of function were not working
after release most of you start rubbishing it.I think if tm release source file will be same story {may be we put knife on Owen back with rubbishing it }
may be they are holding it until its fully done
I think suggestions of help from all of us to make a box better
is different to rubbishing it
I got this bad feelings that we will not be given another chance for their new Linux boxes
9-tuner and scart shield also cost more money it is to prevent external interference .
pinkhelmetsI am sorry you are wrong.
if you put these two next to each other for hardware no comparison at all tm is by far better .one thing good about solo you do not need heater for winter.
example of fiesta and Jaguar this means yes solo is fiesta as long as you accept fiesta performance but to buy fiesta and pay jaguar price is very much painful
for support I really do not know what are you talking about when solo not even using pli as above explanation
for tm there are lots of images for tm 9100-500-600 few teams supporting
as I am writing there are few images being processed for tm800 and 500-600
that will stop few members going on and on about support.
looking at 2 models of vu both of them using broadcom chip which most of developers coming from dm not vu
all vu people doing copying hard work of dm to their boxes and getting credit for it
ur team and other developers are writing new images not copying that is the reason taking long time.
you are right tm800 should not be compared to inferior solo it should be compared to twin tuner vu or dm 8000
not any rubbish copy.tm800 is original from start not copy.
in my opinion in total few people are worried and not admitting that tm 800 has better hardware /hot keys functions
soon 99% of all functions will be fixed
few pessimistic people will be disapointed to see success of this box
but lot more will be very happy.
 
First of all, good post Satwiz...

also understood from tm at this moment there are 3 teams doing different images .you will have surprise of your life when they are out.

Really?

No but REALLY really?

Really? :err:

I promised not to release any info

Really?!

Go on PM me, I'll tell no one :)

there will be at least 2 image before mid July with
resolution-pvr-and many more functions fixed
you will be very disappointed to hear that or happy ?

You better not be making this up mate, lol

1-cooling fan was so much of big deal from all of you
so tm took note and did it no cost to any of you and me {now not relevant } can you test solo after about 3 to 4 hours you can fry few eggs on it.

Mine didn't overheat anyway, it got hot but nothing spooky, my clone DM800 as much hotter.

Plus, if hardware which TM has decided is fit for general release overheats and needs a cooling fan to make it functional then that is a negative, not a positive.

2-there is no pli image in solo may be ready by end of this year {do not understand why non of you complain as it is not even started ]

I never said there was, and let's face it, there is no PLI support on the TM800 either. UR Team are using Open PLi, hardly the same as official PLi support now is it? Also, as much as I admire PLi, they are not the "be all and end all" of E2 images. I'd rather have a selection of firmwares to choose from rather than being locked into 1 image built off Open PLi.

Solo has already gained the support of various 3rd party teams, that's what I want to see on the TM800.

so solo did not to save money also illegal to sell with 2 pin in uk .

Well considering Technomate are a UK company, I'd like to think they would operate within the law. :)

4-modulator UHF Hot Key according to satellite news magazine in uk over 60% of house hold using for second room also cost more money to make solo has not got it

Yes like I said, it was only MY opinion, I don't use RF at all in my home.

My point was the Hotkey, it's simply not important to have a key which takes me to a RF menu.

5-Front Panel Tagel Switch is for when trying to fix a problem without TV screen.

Ah, I see, I never knew that. Thanks.

7-on screen positioner is very handy when your need a bit more signal just press that button .

Sorry Satwiz but Hotkeys just aren't that important to me and certainly not a selling point (for me).

8-poly switch cost money it is to protect from constant lnb cable short.just think if fox has chewed cable or damg to the cable
tm will carry on working until danger point after that it will switch off the box.but when this happen to other box it will blow fuse or damage tuner

Thanks again, I never knew what this feature was.


9-in many conversations with tm I was told
they will release source files when all drivers are ready .many of you pushing and pushing as you did when most of function were not working
after release most of you start rubbishing it.I think if tm release source file will be same story {may be we put knife on Owen back with rubbishing it }
may be they are holding it until its fully done
I think suggestions of help from all of us to make a box better
is different to rubbishing it
I got this bad feelings that we will not be given another chance for their new Linux boxes

Hmm, I don't remember rubbishing the TM800? :err:

You might have missed the fact that I rather enjoy the box and have had very little problems.

Since I paid my £250 for the box, I obviously want the box to succeed, but I also want it to succeed under the original advertised terms. The single most important thing for me is that they release the source code, if they don't do that then I'm as well as owing any other n00b box, like the Spiderbox for instance.
 
Its easy for technomate employees & distributers to say how great technomate are. You can say the public are wrong as many times as you like, but I doubt people will take notice until you have a product that competes. For now Technomate do not have a HD open source receiver that does this. I dont care if they do in the future or not, I shall continue to tell truths here so that members can make their own minds up. Spiderbox, Mvision, Dm clones, VU+, Dreambox, have popular & supported HD receivers ready to be used. Once again technomate are far behind everyone else.
 
Well said mate, I have always had TM's and very happy with them. I have TM600 still and it has never let me down.
Now I don't have the TM800 but I speak to a few people on here who have, and at the end of the day it don't function as it should.
It is being miss sold for sure.
 
pinkhelmets

You are contradicting yourself by double negative reply
as you do not have any defence left and do not want to admit
out of anger throwing your bottle out of pram.
in regards to support
look at this link Download centre (technomatelinux.co.uk)
you can see all supports are up to today.as per last post there will be more image coming just wait

1-spider box mvision copy boxes are not match for tm800 as they are in different league.
nothing to say about them being better or not.
below tm models
tm-5000 receivers are 11 years old and being supported
tm-1000 series are 7 years old being supported last software 24-06-10
tm-5200 series as above
tm-6000 hd series as above
in all 16 models of tm all fully supported up to today 12-10-2010
2-original dm and vu boxes we should talk also other Linux boxes
do not change subject and link it to non relative brands and models
{{I shall continue to tell truths here so that members can make their own minds up}}
this is what you said.if you really honest and truthful and love public as you are making to be .
answer blow if have you got vu solo ?
please answer individually do not finish in one line.
1-why solo has one scart and do not have Loop RGB?
2-why solo do not have rf modulator ?
3-why solo do not have prevision internal to fit wifi
4-why solo did not paint back of their box
5-why solo did not used shield to cover scart and tuner
6-why solo do not have vfd in the front panel
7-why do not have indictor light on the remote
8-Why do not have hot keys
9-why solo using 2 pin mains cable and attached.
10-why solo is getting so hot and is not using fan.
11-why solo do not have off/on switch
12-can you ask vu people to provide you free of charge cover with fan also collect and deliver to you free of charge ?
I wonder {may be miracle can happen }
3-distributors and public are reflection of sale
public make decision what to buy if they are happy with the box.
last news from tm was they sold out and no stock .
sold over 3000 units in few weeks {{that's public for you }}
this means 3000 happy customers
just remember 95% of public do not use their receivers as toys
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manic01

from first day of release tm told everybody lots of functions not ready but persistent members asking please release
this not ready becoming daily repeat in this forum seems many members do not understand this sentence.
I have translated into many language may be some of you will understand what does mean not ready
also contacted tm this morning to get update explained about not ready.
I was told this is the last time trusting people in any forums and releasing unfinished products.
no info or sample will be given to any body until products are finished.
they are very angry about it as NOT READY has not sunk in yet.
Few translation what dose mean not ready in other languages
1-Danish IKKE KLAR
2-dutch NIET GEREED
3- french PAS PRET
4-germanNICHT BEREIT
5-italian NON PRONTO
6- indi तैयारनहींहै7-russian НЕ ГОТОВ
8-turkish NOT HAZIR
 
"I was told this is the last time trusting people in any forums and releasing unfinished products.
no info or sample will be given to any body until products are finished"

Good about time too!

Release working products, people don't mind the odd thing wrong but this was released way too early and all can see that now.
i am begiining to think you are Richard lol
 
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