MHEG dump from ANY PC DVB-T device!

I wish I found out about this program earlier! Thanks!
 
BTW, the exellent program DVBViewer now has a plug-in that can do MHEG dumps. There is no free demo of DVBViewer but it only costs £10 which is a bargin considering all the features it has.

It's called "MHP Carouse" and is in the members download section, if RH / SS doesn't get added to the default channel list you might have to do it manually.

http://www.dvbviewer.com
 
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Hmm I can't seem to detect the RH/SS channels :(
 
What are you using? Try manually adding them...
 
freeview dvb-t stick

hello i have just got a freeview dvb-t stick
and wish to get setanta and redhot
is there an easy way to do this as i can not get it with my channel scans
also i would like to know if you can record the encripted channels when viewing


hope you can help
 
bally12345 said:
What are you using? Try manually adding them...

dvbviewer - annoying if I have to manually add (if I can?), shall have to see how and then find the PID info here (where's that search button ...)
 
Is dvbviewer anygood? I use Showshifter at the moment, dont like this look of it but works really well, tried media portal which I think dvbviewer ripped off apprantly but is abit buggy and not very user friendly when changing channels.
 
OKay RH & SS are "data channels" so unless I set it to include them it misses them off. LOL

@bally hmm it depends. It seems dvbviewer ripped off several pieces of software, but at least in theory it means they are all in one package
 
nix9 said:
@bally hmm it depends. It seems dvbviewer ripped off several pieces of software, but at least in theory it means they are all in one package

Next question, did you pay for it?
 
Don't believe everything you read about the MediaPortal vs DVBViewer thing, the graphics files in question were taken from XBMC anyway and given to Chris by Pikachu [the author of SoftCSA] The MediaPortal developers started spreading a lot of crap around the net about DVBViewer and as a result they can no longer use SoftCSA to get PayTV in Mediaportal - serves them right, maybe they'll think before spouting off next time...

Some info here:

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BTW, did you manage to edit the PIDs and get the MHP plugin working OK?
 
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Ok so whats best to use Media Portal or DVBviewer?
 
Nick [D]vB said:
BTW, did you manage to edit the PIDs and get the MHP plugin working OK?

Could edit the PID's but couldn't get the plugin to work - the destination directory remains blank.

Any tips, or a walkthrough :proud:

thanks nick
 
Ok so whats best to use Media Portal or DVBviewer?

IMHO DVBViewer is much better - but I would say that... :proud:

Could edit the PID's but couldn't get the plugin to work - the destination directory remains blank.

Any tips, or a walkthrough

The MHP plug-in is a bit hit and miss, is it creating empty sub-folders [using the channel name] or is it not creating anything at all?

Try an older version of DVBViewer [v2 or GE], it also seems to depend on the instant the channel is tuned [where the DSMCC carousel is when its tuned] so try re-tuning the channel a few times.

I will do some more test when I get a minute, I have definitely been able to do RH dumps with it before but I can't remember exactly what I did now!

Cheers,
Nick
 
Probz will give DVBViewer a try, media portal doesnt seem to agree with my system and crashes alot. Do you have a screenshot by anychance? Out of everything I used so far I think Showshifter is the best, but I like DC-DVBSource as you can get subs etc and use loads of different players.
 
Nick [D]vB said:
The MHP plug-in is a bit hit and miss, is it creating empty sub-folders [using the channel name] or is it not creating anything at all?
Empty subfolders using the channel names

Try an older version of DVBViewer [v2 or GE], it also seems to depend on the instant the channel is tuned [where the DSMCC carousel is when its tuned] so try re-tuning the channel a few times.
So you have to tune with the plugin active? Just I can't tune in RH/SS with v3 or GE (not tried v2) and only TransEdit finds the stations (probably because they are defined as "data stations" and AFAICT the default in DVBv is not to find data stations.

I will do some more test when I get a minute, I have definitely been able to do RH dumps with it before but I can't remember exactly what I did now!
I like DVBv as my general watching/recording software and was hoping I could do the dumping too (more for research than dumping for codes - to see sequences or potential developments in case there's a big change over SS's 30 min code change-over) - so if you could test that would be appreciated

cheers

Nix
 
Empty subfolders using the channel names

Try giving it a bit more time, I get a full dump on QVC after about 3 minutes and on RH - but only before 11 - which is really doing my head in!

So you have to tune with the plugin active?

Sorry I wasn't being clear, I don't mean re-scan, just switch between channels, it seems to help sometimes.

I'm sure a quirk of the UK's DSMCC system is stopping the plug-in from working, DC-DVB's parser needed re-writing for this reason.

I will upload some UK transport stream samples for Chris to look at and hopefully we'll get a fix soon.

Just I can't tune in RH/SS with v3 or GE (not tried v2) and only TransEdit finds the stations (probably because they are defined as "data stations" and AFAICT the default in DVBv is not to find data stations.

No that's right, I have to add them manually as well because I can't get transedit's export function to work.

I like DVBv as my general watching/recording software and was hoping I could do the dumping too (more for research than dumping for codes - to see sequences or potential developments in case there's a big change over SS's 30 min code change-over) - so if you could test that would be appreciated

I really like DVBViewer, it's not half as bloated or buggy as other software and produces nice clean mpegs. I'll test the next SS game if I can,

I'm surprised it's taking them so long to move onto the smartcard. I know the pay as you go roll-out is taking longer than expected but maybe

they just think they'll get more customers through the MHEG platform, despite any potential losess... :Laugh:
 
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Nick [D]vB said:
Try giving it a bit more time, I get a full dump on QVC after about 3 minutes and on RH - but only before 11 - which is really doing my head in!
QVC? The shopping channel? You mean they have a MHEG stream so you can use that to test dumping? I get dumps from Sky Sports News - so I guess the plugin works, just not with RH/SS

Sorry I wasn't being clear, I don't mean re-scan, just switch between channels, it seems to help sometimes.

I'm sure a quirk of the UK's DSMCC system is stopping the plug-in from working, DC-DVB's parser needed re-writing for this reason.

I will upload some UK transport stream samples for Chris to look at and hopefully we'll get a fix soon.
switch channels wait, switch channels wait, and eventually it might come? I assume you do this on unaltered PID's i.e still have blank screen. It may well be a quirk, especially if DVBv implementation dumps the initial stream on channel load especially if there is a slight delay in receiving the MHEG?

No that's right, I have to add them manually as well because I can't get transedit's export function to work.
Export works fine for me - you just need to have it in the same directory as your dvbviewer exe (I fell foul of this until I read the install page LOL)

I really like DVBViewer, it's not half as bloated or buggy as other software and produces nice clean mpegs. I'll test the next SS game if I can,
It is nice - I was initially just going to run with GE as I purely want it to capture things occasionally (have a perfectly capable TV/STB near the PC already), but the main app wasn't as resource hungry as I expected and has some nice features (channel info OSD & "desktop wallpaper" mode).
I'm surprised it's taking them so long to move onto the smartcard. I know the pay as you go roll-out is taking longer than expected but maybe they just think they'll get more customers through the MHEG platform, despite any potential losess... :Laugh:
They are obviously aware of the losses, hence changing every 30 mins (it's a compromise between making it easy for hackers with a single code and making it too hard for paying viewers by changing too often). It depends on whether they have included the loss-margin into their financial model, or intend to make the system secure as a higher priority over profits. After all there are more people with slotless boxes than TUTV-ready ones.

I suppose they can't be seen as keeping a flawed system once other options can be used!
 
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QVC? The shopping channel? You mean they have a MHEG stream so you can use that to test dumping?

Yep, QVC seems to work every time!?! Different channels seem to be using different DSM-CC systems,

some are compatable with the plug-in and some aren't - it's something to do with BIOP-Messages... apparently.

switch channels wait, switch channels wait, and eventually it might come?

That seems to do the trick sometimes, I assume the plug-in is resetting and or receiving the data in an order it can process by fluke.

I assume you do this on unaltered PID's i.e still have blank screen.

It doesn't seem to make any difference, the DSMCC data is carried on a separate PID, which interestingly is not listed in the channel list, maybe the MHP plug-in is failing to detect the correct PID on some channels?

It may well be a quirk, especially if DVBv implementation dumps the initial stream on channel load especially if there is a slight delay in receiving the MHEG?

The DSMCC data is sent in a continuous loop [hence carousel] a bit like the old teletext system. The problems is the official spec has several different ways to define the data structures and start positions. Not all of these systems are used by all providers so the plug-in might be fine in Germany but only work with some of our channels.

Export works fine for me - you just need to have it in the same directory as your dvbviewer exe (I fell foul of this until I read the install page LOL)

LOL, Thanks for the tip, maybe I should RTFM next time!

It is nice - I was initially just going to run with GE as I purely want it to capture things occasionally (have a perfectly capable TV/STB near the PC already), but the main app wasn't as resource hungry as I expected and has some nice features (channel info OSD & "desktop wallpaper" mode).

I was amazed how efficient it is compared to other programs, even when using BDA drivers. I use it for my sisters NTL cable setup and it runs very well on her old 800MHz athlon.

They are obviously aware of the losses, hence changing every 30 mins (it's a compromise between making it easy for hackers with a single code and making it too hard for paying viewers by changing too often). It depends on whether they have included the loss-margin into their financial model, or intend to make the system secure as a higher priority over profits.

After all there are more people with slotless boxes than TUTV-ready ones. I would assume that they have modelled an uptake rate over which the service is profitable enough to carry on - if they are way above that with MHEG then the question is do they continue with the profitable model or go for the secure smartcard route that may not bring in the same level of revenue and have more set-up costs.

When I first heard about the keygen I was sure they were going to start rolling the codes every 5 minutes, I can't be that hard to automatically synchronize them with the call center, they don't seem to be that bothered about security...

They need to factor the size of their market if they go the smartcard route - will people who have existing boxes and pay the £8 when they see a match is on, want to pay for a new box and possibly a subscription? After all wouldn't they already have gone for a $ky/cable sub if they were inclined to? I suppose if you look at the PAYG mobile phone model and a £30 (possibly upto £49) box/PAYG-card kit would work especially if ordering the games is as easy as topping up Sims (e.g. phone-shop-cashpoint options and the ability to buy a number of "game credits").

Of course, depending on how they implement the PAYG route. Mobiles work because you simply pop in a sim add credit and off you go - no subscribing, compulsory bank details, credit checks etc. Something similar may be needed if the PAYG is to work - being able to buy a card with "X games paid" on for birthdays, has potential, having one limited to the current Top-up TV register with bank details, OTA activation, and then when buying games having OTA activation and having to wait, may not. They are, after all, aiming to appeal to a "now" generation who like the option of paying for the game when they want to watch it, rather than someone judging the cost of games over a season and weighing up PAYG vs a paid $ky sub.

I don't think their PAYG offering will take off in its present form, if they were going to use that model they should have done from the outset. I have been told by TopUpTV customer services that all STB's & IDTVs using current TopUpTV CAMs and third party set-top decoders with embedded smartcard readers [X-OnDigital, Pace DTVA, NetGem I-Player+ etc…] will NOT work with the new pay as you go smartcards!

The crazy thing is the current TopUpTV SECA CAMs already have PPV capabilty but they will be releasing new pay as you go CAMs "at some point" in the new year and only “some” STBs will get the OTA update adding the pay as you go menu system. Why spend so much on rolling out a new system? It can't just be for SS but its not as if they carry any other premium content, movies would be an obvious payg fodder but TCM sucks and FilmFour is going FTA. Maybe they are hoping to magic-up some more bandwidth from somewhere???

"You simply pay for one day’s worth of Top Up TV at a time"

If it really was pay as you go then £2 a day might be workable but what kind of f*ckwit is going to pay £24 upfront when they can spend another £4 and get a full month, especially as they will probably need to get a new set-top box for the privilege! If they continue down this path I don't think they'll be with us much longer, especially given C5 and ITV's recent manuvering...
 
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Nick [D]vB said:
That seems to do the trick sometimes, I assume the plug-in is resetting and or receiving the data in an order it can process by fluke.
I have observed when the stream is checked/dumped - you'll see a green bar with "100" on it flash on screen. $kySN seems to dump fine - when I get the bar flashing with RH nothing is dumped. I too can get Red Hot dumps the off-air mheg screen (redhot.mheg, redhot.png, startup), just not after 11pm when its live.

I guess I'll just fiddle round with DC-DVB in the meantime.

When I first heard about the keygen I was sure they were going to start rolling the codes every 5 minutes, I can't be that hard to automatically synchronize them with the call center, they don't seem to be that bothered about security...
No guess not, it would be relatively trivial to set short validity periods for the automated call centre. Maybe its more to do with the MHEG refresh rate and avoiding paying users phoning up for a code to a viewerID that has just expired due to the change-over. It could also be because TUTV can only supply a maximum of 7 "new values" (x0-x6). LOL

I have been told by TopUpTV customer services that all STB's & IDTVs using current TopUpTV CAMs and third party set-top decoders with embedded smartcard readers [X-OnDigital, Pace DTVA, NetGem I-Player+ etc…] will NOT work with the new pay as you go smartcards!

The crazy thing is the current TopUpTV SECA CAMs already have PPV capabilty but they will be releasing new pay as you go CAMs "at some point" in the new year and only “some” STBs will get the OTA update adding the pay as you go menu system. Why spend so much on rolling out a new system? It can't just be for SS but its not as if they carry any other premium content, movies would be an obvious payg fodder but TCM sucks and FilmFour is going FTA. Maybe they are hoping to magic-up some more bandwidth from somewhere???
A completely separate PAYG system? It doesn't seem to make sense, especially as I assume they'll still be keeping the existing system for paying subscribers.
However you've hit the nail on the head - content! As has been said in many industries "content is king" and TUTV don't have the premium content for it - if they haven't the financial model to pull in good quality for TUTV they're unlikely to have it for PAYG.
 
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