Celtic FC Thread

[deedie]

would any of the rangers fans like to post, in the rangers thread, some of the stories regarding the reasons why the 12 month transfer ban was handed out. since i cant, and its more of a relevant story than the latest neil lennon ban

didnt think so.

probably the most important and damning document that has ever been written relating to scottish football, and they just want to bury there head in the sand as usual. if any of you have taken the time to read it, its about as clear cut as you will get. im hoping that nuff n helps have read it, but i assume they havent, or they would not be going ahead with the appeal on wednesday. again, they are going to WASTE funds that could be used else where, when there is absolutely no chance of winning it.

and this document only relates to criag whytes time in charge........... i cant wait till they publish the one about david murrays time in charge. Craig Whytes time was described as being as close to match fixing as possible. Be interesting to see how they describe David Murrays then.

but of course, "The Peepil" will just bury there heads in the sand again, and blame everybody else for their problems.

 

[deedie]

I reckon tomorrow will be the last ever game for Rangers.

why do you think aluko was determined to get a hat trick yesterday. that ball might be worth a lot of money.

should be able to recoupe his lost wages from that

 

[Auldtam]

Been in England all weekend..wasn't much news on Rangers situation except that a consortium from asia and middle east has put in a bid. I wonder if they've ever heard any of the rangers songs?

 

[deedie]

I wouldn't actually call it a bid. Its more like a note of interest. Its all dependant on a Cva. And given hmrc rules on this matter relating to football teams, then its very unlikely that a cva will be agreed.

And don't forget that hmrc have not played there Big Tax Case card. That's a game changer completely.

There seems to be misconception in the media that rangers have a chance of walking anyway from that. I'm pretty sure the only thing that is in dispute, is whether they did it deliberately or not. They still owe the amounts stated regardless of the outcome.

This latest preferred kidder is going to go down the new club route also. They are just stalling for time until hmrc make their move, then they can blame them for pulling the trigger. This bid is no different from bill miller's plans. At least he was the only one brave enough to tell the truth. And look at the reception that got him at ibrokes

 

[deedie]

JTH has just given me an INFRACTION because I posted a video that contained the spoken word "H*n"

Please don't post anything against SCOTLANDS SHAME or you might find yourself banned.

@ JTH, I will dance and be merry when your team dies.

Its interesting as I have just noticed that he is no longer listed as a mod on this section of the forum.

When did that change?

 

[M3NTAL]

Dear Creditors..


From:

​

Sir David Murray
Mr. Craig Whyte
Mr. Paul Murray
Mr. Bill Ng
Mr. Bill Miller
Mr Charles Green,
c/o The Rangers*,
Ibrox Stadium,
150 Edmiston Drive,
Glasgow G51 2XD
North Britain,


To:

Mr. Bhutta
Bhutta’s Newsagents,
142 Copland Road,
Ibrox,
Glasgow G51 2UB:


Dear Mr. Bhutta,


Permit me to introduce myself. My name is Charles Green. Some people call me ‘Emerald’.


I am a colourful businessman who has been a director of no fewer than fifteen companies which have gone into liquidation.

My latest project is a football club called Rangers FC (in Administration) which I am hoping to gut and fillet in the coming weeks.


You may be aware that the Administrators of that football club, a firm called Duff and Phelps, are anxious to drag out the administration process for as long as possible because they are raking in a couple of hundred thousand pounds every week for as long as the money lasts. Who could blame them, eh? I’d do the same myself, given half a chance.


Speaking of me, it turns out that I am the latest one to have been offered the opportunity to buy Rangers FC (in Administration). My predecessor, an American chap called Mr. Bill ‘Liam’ Miller, had a quick look at the bookwork and, by all accounts, took suddenly ill. I, however, am made of sterner stuff, (not least because I’m English). Moreover, having been involved in fifteen liquidations myself, I can safely say that I’m quite an old hand at ignoring toxic debt. After the game against St. Johnstone on Sunday I had a quick butcher’s at the Orcs’ accounts and I have to say that of all the liquidations which I’ve been involved in, this one takes the biscuit! (As one businessman to another, let me just give you a quick tip – don’t give these people any credit or you’ll regret it. Make sure you get cash up front or no deal.)


Which brings me neatly, I feel, to the matter at hand. Looking at their accounts, I couldn’t help but notice a list of 277 creditors who are owed a total which is not far off £134,000,000. One of these creditors is your good self. You are still owed the sum of £567.45, although it’s so long overdue that you may well have forgotten all about it.


Incidentally, it did strike me that at the very least I might write a letter of apology to you expressing the club’s deep sorrow and acute embarrassment at this state of affairs. However, I was dissuaded from following this course of action by a geezer called Sandy Something-or-other. He seems to be well thought of in some quarters and he assures me that this is not the Rangers Way. Apparently it does not do for Rangers to show any signs of remorse or regret. I might say that this strikes me as odd but I must also concede that, as an Englishman, I am fairly unfamiliar with the customs and traditions of your fine country which I had rarely visited until this week. Indeed, I had never even heard of Rangers until they made the UK news headlines during their visit to Manchester in 2008. (Something to do with a broken television, was it? I think Chelsea were involved too? I can’t really remember the details.)
Anyway, Sandy says there’s to be no apology, that Rangers don’t show weakness, that you should consider yourself honoured to be a Rangers creditor and that you’ll be remembered as one of the bastards who stuck the boot in once the ‘Gers are back on top.


Would I dare to fly in the face of such sound advice on cultural manners from a local man? No chance. So. Up yours, it is, Mr. Bhutta.


That brings me to my next point. You’ve probably heard some talk about a CVA proposal. No doubt you will be too busy selling newspapers to have given the matter much thought. Let me give you a quick guide to what’s going to happen. If you saw the unfortunate headlines in some of today’s newspapers you may have gained the impression that I am spearheading a consortium of about twenty extremely wealthy partners who intend to pour vast sums of money into the club in the near future. This may have had the unintended side-effect of raising your hopes that you may finally see your £567.45 one day. Sadly, nothing could be further from the truth. Those millions upon millions of pounds which my partners are going to invest are not for the likes of you, I’m afraid. That money is for Ally to spend on buying over-priced, over-paid, under-achieving no-marks for the Rangers first team of the future.


I may be new to this country but I’ve already done a bit of homework. Apparently, there is a newspaper called ‘The Scotsman’, which nobody ever reads these days. However, it was pointed out to me that its leader column just a few days ago stated that Scotland needs Rangers. I see no reason to doubt a newspaper which has been losing thousands of readers every month for many, many years now. It must know a thing or two about what Scotland needs. And it says that Scotland needs Rangers. Does it say that Scotland needs customers to pay their debts and settle their bills in full? No, it says that Scotland needs Rangers. So that settles that.


This means that instead of £567.45, the best you can hope for is £17.02, which is 3p in the pound. Frankly, I think you should be very grateful that you’re being offered that much.


Personally, I am tremendously excited about the future possibilities of this approach to business, if it succeeds. As a businessman yourself, I am sure you can appreciate the enormous cost-saving benefits of a scheme which reduces expenditure by 97%! Holy smoke, if I could have got away with only paying 3% of my bills in the past, I might never have had any liquidations at all, let alone fifteen of the buggers!


Now. In case you’re tempted not to accept this generous offer, let me just invite you to contemplate another very important consideration.
A man called Ally is thought to be very keen to have full transparency on the matter of the names and addresses of the creditors who endanger the future well-being of The Rangers (in Administration) by rejecting the CVA proposal.


Let’s look at it this way. That’s a nice business you’ve got there, Mr Bhutta. Sure would be a shame if anything were to happen to it, if you get my meaning. Of course, if you accept the CVA proposal of a measly three pence in the pound, you’ll probably not have to worry about that. You seem like a smart kind of guy. I really wouldn’t want to see you get on the wrong side of one of the notorious ‘small minorities’ who attach themselves in their thousands to Ally’s team. (No, not Chelsea; his other team.) You want to take my advice and do the sensible thing just in case things in the future get a little ‘transparent’. If you catch my drift.


If you bear in mind that the £550.43 which you’ll never see will play its part in encouraging almost two dozen multi-millionaires to pour millions of pounds into wages for Rangers bench-warmers next season then you will have some considerable consolation for having been ripped off.


I have taken the liberty of enclosing a Rangers (in Administration) season ticket application form with this letter so that you can enjoy the Rangers experience next season. You may also want to be the first among your friends to buy the classic Sheffield United home kit from the 2006-2007 season so I’m sending you a catalogue for the Blades mail order service as well.


Yours in Sheffield United Rangers,


Charlie “Emerald” Green.


15 and counting.


P.S. These are very troubled times for The Rangers so I am sure you will understand why I found it necessary to send this letter to you without a stamp.

(Stolen from Dear Creditor « Henry Clarson)

 

[Paul-K]

Livi threaten SFA with legal action over Rangers

Livingston have written to the Scottish Football Association warning they may take legal action if the governing body fails to act upon Rangers' financial woes appropriately.

STV understands the First Division club have outlined they would pursue up to £1.2m in lost revenue for their relegation to the Third Division in 2009 if the SPL side are not dealt with in a similar manner.

The decision to demote Livingston, who were in administration but in the hands of prospective buyers, was made by the Scottish Football League prior to the start of the 2009/10 season.

A failed appeal to the SFL was followed up by a submission to the Scottish FA, who ruled the punishment was fair and reasonable.

The governing body’s judicial protocol was given a complete overhaul last year and insolvent clubs, as well as any appeals processes, are now handled in a different manner.

Nonetheless, Livingston believe a precedent was set in the judgement and have now stated they are monitoring how the Scottish FA are handling the Rangers situation, as uncertainty over the future of the club continues.

If prospective buyer Charles Green is unable to strike a deal with creditors to take the club forward via a CVA, it is possible the businessman will pursue a ‘newco’ route to ensure the club continues as part of a new company.

The move, which would be unprecedented in Scottish football, would require Scottish FA approval to go through if the new company wished to inherit Rangers’ membership of the body and could be subject to further sanctions.

Rangers have already been punished by both the Scottish Premier League and Scottish FA for being in administration, with the latter recently administering a 12-month registration embargo and fines reaching £160,000.

Rangers’ appeal against the Scottish FA’s sanctions, which were described as to have “struck a balance which was relevant to the mischief and proportionate to the breach” will be held on Wednesday.

The independent panel set up to consider the initial case against the club stated in their deliberations that "only match fixing in its various forms might be a more serious breach” than Rangers’ failure to pay tax contributions for employees, amongst other discrepancies.

Termination of Rangers’ membership to play football in Scotland was also considered at the time, something which was ruled to be “too severe” a punishment.

Both the Scottish FA and Livingston declined to comment on the letter.


Clubs | Sport | STV

 

[deedie]

Re: Livi threaten SFA with legal action over Rangers

The Battered Bunnet on 15 May, 2012 at 14:16 said:

Well played Rod Petrie. I think our own Leadership will need to declare Celtic’s position ahead of the vote, but the situation remains complicated by D&P/Green’s insistence on performing the CVA charade.

My sense is that while this CVA charade is being played out, the Green People are busying themselves with creating the structure that will permit NewClub to be Licensed in time for next season. In essence, in a short number of days the SFA and SPL will know the intention of the Green People, but will be bound from revealing that to the rest of us by non disclosure terms.

Meantime, we have the SPL Inquiry into the issue of the invalid Registration of Players by Rangers. D&P, acting in their capacity as Court Appointed Managers of Rangers, are obliged to cooperate fully with the governing bodies of the game, acting at all times according to the various Articles, Rules and Contracts regulating Rangers’ participation in the Game in Scotland.

They are obliged to disclose any and all relevant information requested, albeit that disclosure of documents that form evidence presented to the Tax Tribunal may be subject to restrictions.

Nevertheless, what the SPL have asked Harper McLeod’s top legal brains to undertake is essentially a simple Quality Audit. Such a process is very straightforward, requiring little more than a clear description of the Process and Procedures in question, and a comparison of Rangers’ actions against that Process to determine Compliance.

My understanding is that Rangers registered around 75 players in the period in question whose registrations may be questionable.

The SPL will have provided Harper McLeod with a written Instruction that includes Methodology, Deliverables, Stage Gates and Timescales. A formal brief.

As with any audit, a sample of transactions will have been tested initially. This is a practical approach that prevents unnecessary expense from being incurred. Harper McLeod will initally have tested perhaps 10 Regostrations against the defined Process. The results of this will have been reported on within a short timescale, at which point the Brief reached a Stage Gate, and the SPL will have had a decision to make on whether to proceed or not.

If the testing revealed no breaches of Process,the purpose of the audit has been satisfied,and it is likely that the Instruction will have been terminated, and the book closed.

More likely, the testing has identified one or more breaches of Process, and the SPL decision will have extended the Instruction to investigate all relevant transactions to quantify and qualify the extent of the breaches.

It takes around one hour to audit a transaction, if you’re really, really slow. I’ll betya even BlantyreKev could do one in less than 55 minutes. All you require is the relevant Documents and the defined Process. Follow the trail. Was the Process implemented properly? Yes/No. Tick/Cross. Next.

The initial brief was provided on 5th MArch or thereabouts. The SPL knew the result of the initial testing when they received the draft report weeks ago. It is likely that they have instructed a full audit, which would have been completed within 100 labour hours. Perhaps further issues have arisen, and the Auditors are testing other related Processes.

Whatever the situation, it is a given that the Final Report is not delayed by Harper McLeod’s diffidence or restraint.

The consequences of breaches of Player Registration are profound. A player whose registration is invalid, is INELIGIBLE to play. Rangers are suspected of invalidly registering around 75 players, who subsequently participated in as many as 500 SPL matches.

The purpose behind the breaches in Registration was to disguise a multi-million pound fraud on the Treasury, itself conceived to gain competitive advantage on the football pitch, which subsequently delivered 6 Champions League participations worth some £20M per season.

Additionally, Rangers were awarded an additional £1.5M per season in results related SPL prize money over and above participation fees.

The economic benefits to Rangers of this approach to Tax and Football regulation, is in the order of £50M of payroll costs saved, and in excess of £100M of SPL and UEFA prize money won. Perhaps as much as £200 Million of benefit in total.

During the period of this ‘irregular’ approach to regulation, Rangers Directors Campbell Ogilvie, John McClelland and Martin Bain were at various times Directors of the SPL. McClelland was Chairman of Rangers during the period of acceleration in the use of these schemes while being SPL Director 2003-2005.

He was also a member of UEFA’s Club Competition Committee and a member of the European Club Association.

Martin Bain was an SPL Director from 2008 to 2011, a period in which Rangers use of the Tax scheme continued despite HMRC having determined that it was illegal in 2008, and submitting a £36M demand for payment that same year.

Campbell Ogilvie was a SPL Director for a short period only at inception, while simultaneously a Director of Rangers and Director and then Vice President of the SFA.

Bain and Ogilvie we now know were benficiares of the EBT scheme, in addition to being responsible for implementing it.

Rangers, if the allegation is held, will have breached a number of SPL Articles and Rules, the most significant of which is the undertaking to act ‘in the utmost good faith’ to the SPL and member clubs at all times.

Rangers in such a situation, will have rendered the SPL a meaningless circus since its inception in 1998.

The only reasonable sanction for such a breach of faith is expulsion from the SPL.

The results of this inquiry are germane to the integrity of the competitions run by the SFA, the SFL and UEFA. Each in turn will require to consider any appropriate measures for Rangers having breached their Articles and Rules, and corrupted their competitions in the same manner as the SPL’s.

At face value, the outcome is a given: Expulsion.

However, this is Scotland, and it seems the Rules of the Game are applied to everyone equally, except Rangers, without whom we would….. well, we would have honest competition and a fair Game.

RodPetrieCSC”

 

[Tamarc]

Celtic teams up with CLIC Sargent

Celtic teams up with CLIC Sargent to help young cancer patients

By: Newsroom Staff on 15 May, 2012 16:33
CELEBRITIES are coming out in praise of Celtic for donating funds to CLIC Sargent, the UK’s leading cancer charity for children and young people, and one of its free Homes from Home, self-catering accommodation for families near specialist treatment centres.

Celtic Charity Fund, the club’s charitable arm, is donating £50,000 to sponsor a room in CLIC Sargent’s London Home from Home, Paul’s House.

Charity patrons Barry McGuigan, Eddie Jordan and Scots singer songwriter Sharleen Spiteri accepted the donation and thanked Celtic supporters for their generosity at a ceremony at Paul’s House today (Tuesday).

Celtic director Brian Duffy, manager Neil Lennon and Chris Traynor, Chairman of Celtic Charity Fund, represented the club at the event, where a top-floor room used by families will be formally named Room 1888, commemorating the year Celtic was founded.

Paul’s House, the ninth Home from Home in the UK, opened in September 2010 after a £7million fundraising campaign, chaired by Eddie’s wife, Marie Jordan.

The homes provide families, who travel an average of 60 miles a day up to five times a week for hospital treatment, with a place to stay near the paediatric oncology centres where their child is being treated.

Neil Lennon said: “This coming season will be our 125th year and everyone associated with Celtic looks forward to another great season.

“Central to the club’s formation was a fundamental charitable purpose and it is magnificent that so many years after our formation, our charitable principles remain so strong and so important to us. Supporting the less fortunate is a fundamental part of Celtic´s ethos and always will be.”

Pam Robinson, CLIC Sargent assistant director of services for London and the south east, said: “Homes from Home provide a lifeline for families, children and young people undergoing cancer treatment

“They provide privacy, somewhere to relax and cook a meal, use the washing machine or just be together. Being diagnosed with cancer is a devastating experience and normal family life is turned upside down.

“During treatment, which can last for up to three years, children and young people may miss out on school, college or employment opportunities; families are separated for long periods of time, travel long distances for treatment and hospital appointments; and dealing with life on the ward is an overwhelming experience.

“Being in a home from home can bring back some normality, which is why we aim to extend the home from home service to Northern Ireland.”.

Chris Traynor, chairman of Celtic Charity Fund, added: “CLIC’s Home from Home facilities are at the frontline of care and family support at a critical time.

“These are values which Celtic holds very dear and our Charity Fund is delighted to contribute to Paul’s House and to the great work of CLIC Sargent, on behalf of our supporters.”

 

[Paul-K]

Rangers appeal has been rejected

Ewan Murray ‏@mrewanmurray
Rangers appeal over transfer embargo rejected.

Margot McCuaig ‏@Margot_mneTV
So the #Rangers embargo stands. That will be interesting for the new owners. #SFA


The Appellate Tribunal will give its full reasons in writing in early
course. However, in summary, it considers that:

1. It was competent for Disciplinary Tribunal to impose the additional
sanction of prohibiting registrations of any new players of 18 years or
older for a period of 12 months.

2. The Disciplinary Tribunal was correct to determine that the conduct
involved - especially the deliberate non-payment of very large sums,
estimated in excess of £13m of tax in the form of PAYE, NIC and VAT -
was attributable to the club as a member of the Scottish FA.

3. The Disciplinary Tribunal was correct also in holding that the
maximum fine available for this breach was £100,000, and on its own was
inadequate as a punishment for this misconduct. It was therefore correct
to select an additional sanction.

4. The sanctions available included expulsion from participation in the
game and termination or suspension of membership of the Scottish FA,
which would have had a similar effect. The Appellate Tribunal observes
that serious consideration was given by the disciplinary tribunal to
imposing one of these sanctions, which would have had obvious
consequences for the survival of the club. The Disciplinary Tribunal
rejected these as too severe and this Appellate Tribunal agrees with
that conclusion.

5. Although the Appellate Tribunal has listened carefully to the
representations from Rangers FC about the practical effects of the
additional sanction, it has concluded that this sanction was
proportionate to the breach, dissuasive to others and effective in the
context of serious misconduct, bringing the game into disrepute. In
particular, the Appellate Tribunal recognises that the Disciplinary
Tribunal decision does not affect Rangers’ ability to extend the
contracts of existing professional players, including those whose
contracts will expire at the end of this season and including also those
currently on loan to other clubs. The Appellate Tribunal observes that
Rangers FC have over 40 professional players in this category.

Therefore, the Appellate Tribunal affirms the decision of the
Disciplinary Tribunal.

 

[deedie]

Re: Rangers appeal has been rejected

Some must watch viewing on wednesday night. Aparently Mark Daly is going to rip Sir* David Murray a new one

BBC One - BBC Scotland Investigates, 2012, Episode 7

Wonder if the tax dodgers will protest outside the BBC offices this time. Some how i dont think so, considering how spectacluarly that blew up in their faces after backing Craig Whyte, in Mark Dalys last documentry







*Soon to be removed

 

[M3NTAL]

Re: Rangers appeal has been rejected

Anyone got a link to the original Panorama episode that exposed them in the first place?

 

[Paul-K]

Re: Rangers appeal has been rejected

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[Basil2]

Originally Posted by jjdennis72

Hi guys, I'd like to post this on behalf of Rangers Unite. The same thread is currently being spread across different Rangers forums.
Please read it and have a think, this could be the answer.
It has come to this, we may have to step up and pay.
Are you willing to save it for £200?
40,000 at an average of 200 a head is 8m (some will afford more too even out those who can afford less)
We can if we want have 40,0000 bears involved by Monday, it is not impossible, if we want it enough.

from ff lol

<Quote heavily snipped>

How many Hoops made a contribution? I'd offer a whole penny for Joey Barton's realistic value, but I can't be sure where the money would go.

 

[deedie]

BBC News - EBT beneficiaries

now thats what i call tainted titles

 

[M3NTAL]

BBC iPlayer - BBC Scotland Investigates: 2012: Rangers - The Men Who Sold the Jerseys

The shouldn't just be relegated they should be kicked out of Scottish football and all other associations.

 

[M3NTAL]

BBC iPlayer - Newsnight Scotland: 23/05/2012

@ surfburn....

"Sporting Integrity is demanded!"

Absolutely, if Celtic broke the rules then we must be investigated and punished.

 

[deedie]

BBC iPlayer - Newsnight Scotland: 23/05/2012

@ surfburn....

"Sporting Integrity is demanded!"

Absolutely, if Celtic broke the rules then we must be investigated and punished.

Is this comment in relation to the juninho ebt?

Because that has been settled long ago.

 

[M3NTAL]

Surfburns post has vanished. :err:

 

[wiz569]

Surfburns post has vanished. :err:

Rangers fan posting in the Celtic thread