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Ok I don't usually post these or even take part in these type of debates but I've just read something I would like your opinions on.

With the latest atrocious act being committed by a British Muslim, (The Beheading of James Foley) and the increasing amount of so called British Subjects and other European/Australian citizens fighting against "The West" as jihadists in Syria and Iraq?

Why is it that given there are around 6 million American Muslims living in the USA that none of the American Muslims have gone east and taken up arms against the west

I can only think of one incident when a Muslim belonging to the US military shot some of his comrades.

So why do you think there aren't any US jihadists in syria and iraq? or are there American Muslims fighting against the west its just not being reported? but if there were some fighting? in my opinion they would be used all the time in propoganda videos posted on the net like the ones showing British and European Muslims
 
because the uk put up with it and America wouldn't . just think there whole family should be made go with them . would soon put a stop to these idiots going to fight if them had to take granny with them
 
There is much more national pride in the US, and citizens tend to identify as a nation first. Even when they identify by heritiage, it tends to be hyphenated, e.g. African-American.

In the UK, identity largely depends on the individual and social group. Some put national pride above all else, whilst others - not just Muslims - identify by their religion first.
 
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There is much more national pride in the US, and citizens tend to identify as a nation first. Even when they identify by heritiage, it tends to be hyponated, e.g. African-American.

In the UK, identity largely depends on the individual and social group. Some put national pride above all else, whilst others - not just Muslims - identify by their religion first.


Almost the same reason/reasons I came up with Pob along with better home security since 9/11 and also far tighter immigration/entry rules which helps stops the bampots getting in with their radical views.
 
Almost the same reason/reasons I came up with Pob along with better home security since 9/11 and also far tighter immigration/entry rules which helps stops the bampots getting in with their radical views.

Sadly stopping them getting in isn't the only problem. We seem to growing them at home also.
 
Unfortunately the British government allows this to happen and then spends billions trying to stop it or backing up the yanks.
Britain abides by the stupid pathetic European laws which allows this to happen in our country..
This needs to be wiped off this earth...there will never be safety and peace while this exists.
 
My Immigration / entry reference was aimed at our country allowing the islamic radical preachers and fundementalists etc from foreign countries entry into our country thereby allowing our muslim youths to be brainwashed by them whereas US rules on immigration/entry would not allow them entry in the 1st place IMO.

There are certain acts on home soil that you can never plan for again IMO
 
I think the reason is simply they can drive there!
US citizens would have to go by plane or boat and the cost would be potentially prohibitive.
 
I think there's a lot in what @MH and @little_pob say but the US is not short of Islamic radicals although the proportion per capita may be lower.

However, since the US is the enemy where better to be than within the enemy camp, raising funds etc? Islamic terror attacks by US nationals have been recorded for decades the most well-known, perhaps, being the 2013 Boston marathon.
 
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I think on another note, the US have enough Christian fundamentalists (creationists) of their own to try and manage too.
 
I don't know why we even report it in the newspapers, we should just have Military intelligence/special forces identify them when go out there and then have a sniper in wait to take them out, job done, 2 birds with one stone, we would not have any of the scumbags coming back here and blowing us up as will happen very shortly
 
I don't know why we even report it in the newspapers, we should just have Military intelligence/special forces identify them when go out there and then have a sniper in wait to take them out, job done, 2 birds with one stone, we would not have any of the scumbags coming back here and blowing us up as will happen very shortly

I agree and hope that is what is being worked on behind closed doors.
 
Unfortunately we are too soft with everything in the uk. They will probably have to check health and safety first! We need decisive action without another committee sitting on it. And that is the difference between the US and UK.
 
It does seem odd that the homeland of oddball religions hasn't produced this particular variant yet.
Comparative links show a few, maybe simplistic, comparisons based on numbers, which are surprisingly similar (at least to me).

Islam in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Muslim population in the USA is 0.8%. The UK has 4.4% overall (5.5% in England).
Working on these figures and populations of around 320m and 60m respectively, it's roughly the same number
of Muslims in each country, each approaching the 3 million mark by now, despite the vast disparity in land area.
The 6m figure for the USA (in the op) may be more accurate, I don't know, but it just adds to the puzzle.
Each 3 million is serviced by roughly the same number of mosques, our small area just seems a larger concentration.

I think it's fair to say the seeds of radicalization are in both, though the congregations "fertility" is different.
The leaders may preach moderation, but a few web links passed to the more impressionable young ones by
another member of the congregation may well suck them into an underground systematic process in the UK,
it's not just a sudden impulse. It can't be easy to detect at the outset, in either location, so one answer may be
in the mix of the congregation. Muslims in the USA have diverse roots, and should they unite, the Jewish lobby
are on permanent alert, and in a position to put the boot in. Muslims of African origin have other problems to worry about,
and more recent arrivals from other countries may well just want a fresh start and be prepared to leave their origins behind.

UK Muslims appear more devout, and are predominantly Sunni. With less internal division, there appears more organization here,
in politics and media, to the point of over representation, none of the main parties want to upset them except in extreme
circumstances. Historical baggage is allowed to transcend generations, a regimented 4.4% has significant electoral value.

After 9/11, any sign of radicalism in the USA was subject to heavy scrutiny, and in a country where bullets fly on a regular
basis, a few heavy hints in the appropriate ears may well be effective, after all the preachers don't go anywhere.
I don't remember much happening here even after 7/7, just a few organizations banned, and very little else.
The intelligence services seem to get little credit for foiled attempts, even now.

The soppy ECHR agreements prevented any real action, and UK jihadists are really a product of that.
How can it take 10 years to deport a troublemaker who enters the UK with a false passport, and who funded the endless appeals?
Probably these same organizations will want to rehabilitate the IS bunch, despite having allowed them to flourish in the first place.

But that's all conjecture, there is a more likely explanation. A potential US jihadist must realize he is likely to be fighting
his own country at some point, and the penalty on any eventual return isn't going to be just a slap from a limp wrist.
The USA doesn't need permission from other countries to deal with it's own citizens, deport others, refuse entry, or even take
action abroad...........In short, we may tag em, they can bag em!
 
Theres just way more EU originating Jihadist so its statistically more likely they will be from there than USA. Plus UK has seen a recruitment drive over last 30 years by these people in the UK and western europe and the authorities have let them get on with it.

Reported estimate for US/Canadian Jihadist in IS-land is 50.

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Similarly, recruitment of paramilitaries in NI, tended to be higher in areas where the paramilitaries could operate freely and there was high levels of community cohesion.
 
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