Sky UK's New Pairing System

Hi. The one channel you will not get without the new pairing system is "Channel 995" on 11.836 H. If you can get that, the new pairing system is in place. This is an SD channel but only opens if your cared has been paired the new way.

Personally, I would not use sat boxes for piracy, but would prefer to use my Sky card in a different box, as the Sky Digibox spec is in fact illegal, because it does NOT allow you to tune in manually to ANY channels configured in DVB-S2, but you can tun in DVB-S configured HD channels on the HD boxes.

Also, BBC services at 23000 are impossible to tune - this is also illegal. All satellite boxes are mane to be able to tune into all FTA signals.

With the new system, you will only get family pack channels on another box.

If anyone is able to get "Channel 995" open on a different box, that should then work.

Channel "1451" works on HD subs only, but "Channel 995" works only on the new pairing system.

if anyone has any more info on this, please get in touch.

Thanks.

Not sure what you mean?I just tried my card (from dec) in my duo for 1st time and opened movies and basics with oscam no problem, but channel 995 doesnt open so i assume im not paired the new way? Is there any reason why i wouldnt be?
 
for a long time now, sly have been offering free BB to its customers, its a basic package, but its free, and they have recently slashed the cost of their wifi bridge to a tenner, and all the adverts tempt people to connect their hd boxes with all of the free on demand offerings

the key data is tiny, and when it used to actually BE sharing, people used to use it on internet connections a LOT slower than even todays very slow BB connections, with no problems

peoples 'breakup' probelms are from overcrowded servers, or the line the server is on uploading so much data that a key gets lost, and doesnt get to the client in time

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DD

theres nothing free in this life, you have to take there internet etc to get the " free stuf " sky is changing there cards soon but dont mean that they are stoping cardsharing, sky changes there cards every 5 years and last time they changed there cards everyone was saying that it was the end for cardsharing, 5 years on its still going and improving, if they where to have a box that would change the incyption that would stop cardsharing they would have to get all customers to change there box witch would cost them way more than wot they lose with cardsharing going on.
even if they did go down that path it would make things easyer for people to get all the sky tv programmes, movies, sport, etc tough the net and would't even have to have a dish just internet connection.
also if they where to bring out a box that would put an end to cardsharing, it would take roughtly 2 years to change all box's over and would lose alot of custom as people with old skybox would be left without channels, also they would have poeple sueing them as if they have a contract with sky for a year and they could't get any channels with the new box or they dont have internet to get the channels sky would have to reimburse them and with on top of the money it would cost would bankrupt them and they are getting squeeze buy bt/etc and need to have hassle free service to try and keep there customer's.
there biggest thing they do is to spread gossip though sites like this to make newbes think its going to end and dont get it, this is my opinion and could be wrong but have seen this come up 3 times when cards are due to be changed and it happens every 5 years, as i say if it does go down you can get all you need from net and dont need sat dish and getting channels is going that way, probably this time next year most will use the net instead of though 28.2e to 13e etc as you wont have to have dish and all is onDemand meaning people dont have to buy hdd at £50 upwards and dont have to worry about forgetting to record, the future is bright, the future is internet ;):comp1::excited::dance:
 
sky dont just change a card 'every 5 years' they change them when the security risk dictates it, and, if that security risk will cost more than the cost of swapping over 10 million viewing cards. they can only 'guesstimate' how much CS is costing, but, if a viewing card gets dumped, or figured out how to MOSC it, they will roll out new cards at the drop of a hat. they will have the 'next generation' of viewing cards already planned, they will probably have updates for it as well, but as the cards are m ini computers themselfs, they will exhaust all options on the existing cards, with software updates, before releasing new hardware (viewing cards), and, imo, while theres still older receivers like the amstrad DRX100 in the system, CS will continue, even if it is SD only
 
sky dont just change a card 'every 5 years' they change them when the security risk dictates it, and, if that security risk will cost more than the cost of swapping over 10 million viewing cards. they can only 'guesstimate' how much CS is costing, but, if a viewing card gets dumped, or figured out how to MOSC it, they will roll out new cards at the drop of a hat. they will have the 'next generation' of viewing cards already planned, they will probably have updates for it as well, but as the cards are m ini computers themselfs, they will exhaust all options on the existing cards, with software updates, before releasing new hardware (viewing cards), and, imo, while theres still older receivers like the amstrad DRX100 in the system, CS will continue, even if it is SD only

sky has only changed there cards 3 times to all customers at one time in the past 15 years, have a look at this : Why is SKY Changing its viewing card? - MoneySavingExpert.com Forums and used n3 last time because that was wot was used in part to bring down cable sharing,hears a link about it have a look: http://www.helium.com/items/1952014-virgin-media-n3-encryption they done that as it was already established encryption costing them alot less than if they where to engineer one from scratch.
sky have bigger fish to fight with alot of competition out there now, as far as the hd being the only channels being targeted thats just gos because sky are having problems with there paring, if you dont believe me you will see when they change there cards and i will have to say "told you so"
 
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Sky don't use N3 ;)

And as far as I'm aware have only changed cards twice since going digital, once in 2003 and again in 2009
 
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Seems it may be a pointless exercise now that IPTV servers are on the increase offering the same service that can be taken with you any where there's an internet connection.
 
Sky don't use N3 ;)

And as far as I'm aware have only changed cards twice since going digital, once in 2003 and again in 2009

iv been fitting sky for over 15 years and know that they have changed them, 3 times, why dont you read the links iv put up before you comment wizz ;););)
 
i have quite a collection of 'old' sky cards, going right back to the begining. since sky digital started broadcasting, there have been 2 card changes. the encryption hasnt changed, just the security of the cards themselfs. the last encryption change (as such) was when they changed from analogue to digital, from videocrypt to videoguard, , but still NDS
 
With Sky rolling out the new pairing system there is no need to change cards and they will delay it unless its absolutely necessary as already stated.
 
its not really a new 'pairing' system, its the way the CW's are sent between the card and the box has been changed, and only the newer generations of receivers have the processing power to implement these changes
 
Customers of Thompson receivers are now getting a message on-screen to ring for an upgrade else they will lose all encrypted channels. The deadline was for 1st October but this has been extended to 30th October.
 
Paired to a Thompson over a month ago and have never had a letter, email, message, nowt.
 
i have quite a collection of 'old' sky cards, going right back to the begining. since sky digital started broadcasting, there have been 2 card changes. the encryption hasnt changed, just the security of the cards themselfs. the last encryption change (as such) was when they changed from analogue to digital, from videocrypt to videoguard, , but still NDS

look over your cards again DD as when cs started, sky changed there cards as people at that time where able to record encrppted channels and get the code from that ;) so they changed the cards and then incorporated n3 but never stated it was incorporated from n3 ;) then at there time to change cards under there contract with NDS they changed cards and again on 2009 ;) and will again in 20014 as is in contract between sky and NDS also outsourced buy n3 encryption ;) and your right in saying that its the way that the box is able to work with the new plan witch was not set out with original contract with NDS ;) this is not a big secret and can be viewed buy anyone if you know where to look ;) nuff said...
 
cs started a LONG time before 'sky digital' did

'changing' to N3, just to try it out would be a MASSIVE undertaking, needing not only new cards, but probably new hardware as well, as N3 is owned by a completley seperate company, kudelski group, and them and NDS will do anything possible to ensure changing from one implemented system, to another, is impossible, as they dont share the hardware secrets with each other. the bskyb contract would be a massive loss to NDS, as it wouldnt just be skyUK thats affected, plus, NDS is deeply connected to newsgroup international, just like bskyb

nds is now part of cisco
 
cs started a LONG time before 'sky digital' did

When would you say it did actually start? Also when would you say it became common knowledge and talked about on forums etc? I was thinking about this the other day trying to work out how long its actually been going.

Just for my curiosity nothing else :)
 
CS became big in the UK after the cable hack stopped working, and at one point, if you didnt know a secret handshake, then you wouldnt even get any info or help on the subject either. CS has been going for as long as services have needed viewing cards to decode. what is happening today though is no longer 'card sharing' but 'control word piracy' which is why they are starting to encode the information sent between the card and the receiver
 
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