SO lets be honest at the end of the year, what is the score with TM linux ?

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So, well we are at the end of the year 2011. I would really like to know what the score is with TM linux. And please no 'rants' , we have a room for that.
Just to be curious what direction it is going .....
To be honest, I had a nice play with my tm500(first model) but it was a bit, how Do I say this -limited- i liked the box and it worked 100% stable.
But I really do like an open box where I can fiddle a lot and add things and do some networking stuff and so on.
So I hope TM will make future boxes more open like the example we can find on the market.

So anybody know what direction it is going ? what about the new images and updates. Is there still support for plugins.
It would be nice to have some "roundup" here in this thread.
 
IMO, support for the older TM linux machines is dead in the water, especially now that TM have released a new range of Linux boxes.
 
IMO I have pretty lost much interests in TM with its lack of updates and poor experience with the 2 TM800HDs I have. Its all about the VU+ boxes and ViX images. Unless TM try to pull something out the black hole they are in for New Years? "2013 Perhaps?!"
 
i still say that the biggest mistake they made with their linux receivers, was 'the team'.

if you look at the az-box, a LOT of people got stung with that when it first came out, and in the end, the 'community' of owners, grouped togather, and from scratch, rewrote drivers, core files, the operating system, enigma, and got it all working as it should have been, this is a group of people who are hobbyists.

technomates linux 'team' of experts have not been able to do this with the tm800 in the same timeframe, with their own hardware

im playing with their next generation of receivers, which has now seen my Vu+ duo relocated to the bedroom

the plugin support is an awkward one to answer, as if the plugin creators released the plugins with the full code in its entireity, then the plguin would work on ALL receivers. the 'Rats channel updater' plugin that i created, will install and run on ANY receiver running ANY version of enigma2 working on ANY version of linux. so will the enigma2 DW forum reader, and the DW customiser plugins that i created (even though the customiser still needs some work to ensure full compatibility on a few receivers) but, theres hardly any plugins out there that can say that they will work on ANY receiver. some plugins then need to be recoded to work with certain images or receivers if the author didnt include all the relevant coding to begin with

im quietly hoping that once they publically release this new receiver, that their 'team' will then concentrate on finishing the TM800 software, as itd be rude not to imho, especially after what some of the owners have been through
 
digi i admire your enthisiasm and hope they do what you say, but knowing what i no not in a thousand years will it happen.

I am not moaning just expressing my opinion from experience technomate are hell bent on avoiding being called a clone manufacturer so are avoiding all the relevant avenues that could fast track there software to a finished release. Every thing linux based in the sat world is some sort of recoded DM stuff so they
all owe something to DM. TMs hardware is allways good bar one reciever the tm800hd which is and always will be a disaster.
 
this is what ive always said about linux receivers, but you normally get some wired up wrong wierdo join in saying theyre not all clones etc lol

if its an enigma based receiver, no matter WHO makes it or what they call it, theyre a copy of an overly expensive DMM product

azbox, vu+, openbox, protek unixbox, technomate linux, the latest icecrypt boxes. you go theough the software, and youll find references to DMM, as thats who paid the most money to invest in the coding, and because of the way the code is written, the references cant really be removed, without a LOT of recoding work going on, so everyone just chops and changes 'bits' to suit themselfs

if they get the TM800 working to its full potential, with ALL the hardware working as it should, before xmas (only 363 days lol) then ill eat a TM800 with gravy for xmas 2012 to celebrate lol

it looks like a few years back, a LOT of places saw that linux receivers were getting popular, and decided to give them a try

technomate started with the TM500
protek came out with the unix box (a DM500 clone)
darkman came out with the eaglebox (another 500 clone)
the chinese came out with everything they could think of, all DM500 clones

but due to the complexity of using them, i think quite a few companies have now gone back to 'closed source' receivers, where they hove more control over the software itself, and the receiver can be easier for the end user to setup and use, even if its not as powerfull with customisations etc

for the last decade or so, technomate has always had shit hot closed source software for their receivers (really good), and with most of their newer receivers, are sticking to the same tried, tested, and proven to work, model. but, then you have the 3000 series, the 8000combo and the new 5302. for people like us, the user interface isnt great, but, for a newbie or someone having a receiver fitted for just one single euro sat, theyre probably ideal, as they dont know any different. for a long time i tried to get used to the menu systems of humax fox receivers, as the humax name is so good. after 2 years i gave up

with linux receivers, its things like this that needs to be addressed, the hardware needs to work, but, the software that runs the hardware, needs to be the same as all of the other linux receivers out there, as people know how to use them

the next receiver could be an octo core, 16 TB of ram with unlimited SSD storage, an ice maker that also keeps it all cool, and a wifi attachment that give head like you only dream about, all for £99, but, if the softwares shit, nobody will touch it

and if the people who have your equipment NOW are telling you that theres a problem with your existing software, then theyre not going to be likely to upgrade their hardware if the chance comes around, are they..........
 
dont understand your last paragraph digi

and if the people who have your equipment NOW are telling you that theres a problem with your existing software, then theyre not going to be likely to upgrade their hardware if the chance comes around, are they..........
 
people know that technology advances, and for such a long time, technomate had a good name. people bought the TM800, and not only basic end users, but professional installers, linux coders, advanced users, for a long time, were giving feedback that the TM800 was not right. feedback from a large number of people, found numerous ways to get not only to the top of the technomate chain, but above that, direct to 'the team'. some of this feedback was suggestions, requests, even fixes for issues that had been identified, its still going on now, look at the work jimux and allsats have done for the internal drives, yet 'the team' still does nothing

most people want to buy a box, put it under their telly, and it works.

most people who are into all this for the hobby, who bought a TM800, will never buy another technomate product again, and i dont blame them, in exactly the same way, id NEVER buy another daewoo / chrysler / dodge vahicle again, for the rest of my life, and not only that, but because of my experience I had, ill tell everyone else not to as well

a happy customer will get you approximatley 2 further sales a year for 2 years after using your service / product. an unhappy customer will lose you around 11 potential sales a year for around 10 years

the TM800 has been / is / was a disaster for TM, and itll probably cost them customers for at least half a decade, and in order to not repeate the same mistakes again, when their next linux based receiver is released, they NEED to listen to what 'the community' of users tell them is wrong with it, even if they dont think theres anything wrong, and act upon it

the customer is ALWAYS right, especially if they know more about how your product works than you do lol

(you not meant as you yourself m8 lol)
 
I dunno digi, if it gives amazing head it's worth the 99 quid even if you can't get it to pick any sats up lol :proud:
 
I'm my opinion, TM have done everything in there control to ease the pain of the TM800 users, which I take my hat of to them for.

We all know the 800 was prematurely released due us lot wanting the first one, this one factor was the biggest problem.

Now if we take a look at the forthcoming releases, I am told by a "unnamed" source that they have seen the new boxes in action, and in there opinion they were ready for release.

Yet TM are still not publicly releasing the units, which tells me they don't want to make the same mistake twice.

Going back to the 800, since the iq named images hit the download centre, the box has been far more stable and usable in most cases, do I ever think it will do 100% of the things it states on the box, then I will have to say no!

But saying that, the picture quality on my 800 is far better than any other receiver I have seen including my official HD box, which for watching no frills tv is great.
 
I'm my opinion, TM have done everything in there control to ease the pain of the TM800 users, which I take my hat of to them for.

We all know the 800 was prematurely released due us lot wanting the first one, this one factor was the biggest problem.
Now if we take a look at the forthcoming releases, I am told by a "unnamed" source that they have seen the new boxes in action, and in there opinion they were ready for release.

Yet TM are still not publicly releasing the units, which tells me they don't want to make the same mistake twice.

Going back to the 800, since the iq named images hit the download centre, the box has been far more stable and usable in most cases, do I ever think it will do 100% of the things it states on the box, then I will have to say no!

But saying that, the picture quality on my 800 is far better than any other receiver I have seen including my official HD box, which for watching no frills tv is great.

Bullshit, they were released for the world cup to maximise sales.
 
and to say they where released early before the image was ready is wrong as well - two years down the line the image still doesnt work right
 
Everyone is entitled to there opinion, however other than a replacement 800 and USB adaptor, I assure u I have received nothing free and nor would I expect too.

I also don't have a problem with Richard, I think he has tried everything in his powers to help me.

Although I do believe things could have been handled a bit better without all the fallow bull!
 
Quoting Digi "
DVBS ERA
technomate started with the TM500
protek came out with the unix box (a DM500 clone)
darkman came out with the eaglebox (another 500 clone)
the chinese came out with everything they could think of, all DM500 clones
DVBS2 ERA
HD tm linux model
and it all started over again"

Anyway , i think that this sums it up in the end as the market is flooded by poorly supported 'Linux' receivers.
If TM is holding their Breath in releasing the latest TM linux HD model they better don't wait too long as VU+ is releasing new models like hell
at this very moment.

So the plugin/channel support is still there thanx to people like Digi and others in here. i'm very happy for that but that is of course a 'tiny' sparkle of light
The old models are no longer supported by TM it seems
The tm800hd well...w'll see about that next year
To be honest I would not dare to buy a tm linux model again after all I experienced and I have read in public.
Anyway, that's my conclusion
 
if its an enigma based receiver, no matter WHO makes it or what they call it, theyre a copy of an overly expensive DMM product
DMM did not invent/write enigma and did not start linux boxes it was the tuxbox boys for the dbox2
Dreambox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
DBox2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
DMM based their dream boxes on the dbox2 so are also clone manufacturers themselves.

To keep to the thread I am one of the people that will tell people not to buy tm linux based products and I believe it is with good reason.
 
Quoting Digi "
DVBS ERA
technomate started with the TM500
protek came out with the unix box (a DM500 clone)
darkman came out with the eaglebox (another 500 clone)
the chinese came out with everything they could think of, all DM500 clones
DVBS2 ERA
HD tm linux model
and it all started over again"

Anyway , i think that this sums it up in the end as the market is flooded by poorly supported 'Linux' receivers.
If TM is holding their Breath in releasing the latest TM linux HD model they better don't wait too long as VU+ is releasing new models like hell
at this very moment.

So the plugin/channel support is still there thanx to people like Digi and others in here. i'm very happy for that but that is of course a 'tiny' sparkle of light
The old models are no longer supported by TM it seems
The tm800hd well...w'll see about that next year
To be honest I would not dare to buy a tm linux model again after all I experienced and I have read in public.
Anyway, that's my conclusion

The issue is a lot of the linux recievers on the market although they maybe clones , are not poorly supported. Many of them offer vastly superior software and image support than TM have ever provided for Linux recievers. You only have to look as far as the chineese clone teams and the number of images that surface on a regular basis, as well as continued patched bootloader supoort. These guys dont even have proper image teams seems to be more like a few talented individuals RamiMaher, MFaraj, gjstroom, SatGr etc etc.
Likewise you see good support coming from VU with Blackhole team and VIX team working on images. The problem with TM was their choice of "partner" ITGate theyve got a track record of extremely poor software support. This time looks like they got it wrong with the hardware as well on the TM800 it's all gone very quite on the chipset drivers being released to fix the crippled SATA chipset...although there is a workaround from within the enthusiast community.
It's not so much the fact the recievers dont work as advertised, it's the attitude of certain factions in the TM camp that quite frankly stink...blaming end users for making up issues that " dont exist"..."fallow a,b,c"...because theres nothing wrong etc. The correct appoach would have been to acknowledge the issue take on all the feedback and suggestions from the scene enthusiasts. If the "software team" UR/IQ/DS etc are not capapable of fixing the code...then hire a new team that can.. Or better still dont release products with untested hardware clearly missing core chipset drivers.
Doesnt really seem like TM really have a clue about what theyre doing, they seem to just be pumping out models to try and match models with DMM's line up.... i,e: the newer TM500HD looks likes it's aligned to match up to a DM500HD, same as the TM800HD = DM800HD, TM600=DM600, TM500=DM500.
Anyone thats followed the history of TM Linux recievers has got to be absolutely mad to buy another one without absolute proof that it works properly. Forget abiout what the Dr says the track records there for all to see.
 
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