Top investors 'hit by $50bn con' - yay

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Some of the world's wealthiest private and corporate investors are reported to be victims of an alleged $50bn fraud by Wall Street broker Bernard Madoff.

Mr Madoff is alleged to have confessed to a huge Ponzi scheme (pyramid fraud).

Reports say the main owner of the New York Mets baseball team, Fred Wilpon, and former American football team owner Norman Braman are among the victims.

Others facing losses reportedly include French bank BNP Paribas, Japan's Nomura Holdings and Zurich's Neue Privat Bank.

Prosecutors say Mr Madoff, ex-head of the Nasdaq stock market, has described the fraud as "one big lie".

A federal judge has appointed a receiver to oversee Mr Madoff firm's assets and customer accounts, while the 70-year-old banker has been released on $10m bail.

Shares drop

Hundreds of people are thought to have invested with Mr Madoff, among them international banks, hedge funds and wealthy private investors - who are all trying to find out the cost of the alleged fraud.


There are people who were very, very well off a few days ago who are now virtually destitute

Lawyer Brad Friedman

Spanish newspapers said the leading bank Santander had invested with Mr Madoff.

Bramdean Alternatives, a UK-based asset management company run by Nicola Horlick, saw its share value drop by over 35% after it revealed that nearly 10% of its holding was exposed to the New York broker.

One hedge fund, Fairfield Greenwich Group, said its clients had invested $7.5bn with the firm.

'Major disaster'

Lawyers for worried investors fearful that they had lost their savings, attended court on Friday for a hearing on the disposition of Mr Madoff's remaining assets.

The hearing was cancelled after an agreement was reached to appoint a receiver.


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Brad Friedman, a lawyer for some of the investors, said: "There are people who were very, very well off a few days ago who are now virtually destitute.

"They have nothing left but their apartments or homes - which they are going to have to sell to get money to live on," he told the New York Times.

One investor, Lawrence Velvel, 69, told the Associated Press that he and a friend may have lost millions of dollars between them.

"This is a major disaster for a lot of people. You work all your life, you finally manage to save up something ... lots of people are getting fully or partially wiped out."

'Pyramid scheme'

Mr Madoff founded Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities in 1960, but also ran a separate hedge fund business.



Investors have withdrawn from hedge funds amid market volatility
According to the US Attorney's criminal complaint filed in court, Mr Madoff told at least three employees on Wednesday that the hedge fund business - which served up to 25 clients and had $17.1bn under management - was a fraud and had been insolvent for years, losing at least $50bn.
He said he was "finished", that he had "absolutely nothing" and that "it's all just one big lie", and that it was "basically, a giant Ponzi scheme", the complaint said.

He told them that he planned to surrender to the authorities but not before he used his last $200m-$300m to pay "selected employees, family and friends".

Under a Ponzi scheme, also known as a pyramid scheme, investors are promised very high returns on their investment, while in reality early investors are paid with money collected from later investors.

If found guilty, US prosecutors say he could face up to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $5m.

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He told them that he planned to surrender to the authorities but not before he used his last $200m-$300m to pay "selected employees, family and friends".

If found guilty, US prosecutors say he could face up to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $5m.

down to his last $200 million, aww the poor guy

pay his $5 million fine, do a few years inside and come out to be free and rich
 
I dont think he will go to prison, afterall he is 70.

I find it terrifying and funny at the same time that so many financial big heads all fell for a ponzi scheme.
 
It's a case of the ultra rich beeing ultra greedy. No sympathy felt here.
 
Im not sure if it is a case of the ultra rich being ultra greedy.

More like the ultra rich being ultra stupid. They all assumed that the guy wasnt running a ponzi scheme, simple as that.

Dont forget, these people that lost hard have potentially nothing left at all now.
 
When you reduce market capitalism down to its essence, it is just one big pyramid scheme.

Big players lend to smaller and smaller investors until you get to the bottom of the pile, and they lose out.
 
Yeah, but there is normally something to pay those lower down from. In a ponzi you rely on getting more people of equal worth on on the scheme to pay off the others.

Odd how they assumed that it wouldnt happen at that level and be organised by the guy who did it.
 
Still, not as clever as Mr Leeson. Now that was a spot of genius, hiding a client account for several years must have been quite a task
 
Still, not as clever as Mr Leeson. Now that was a spot of genius, hiding a client account for several years must have been quite a task
but wasnt he making money at one point?

Either way, I read today that RBS has been truly humped over this...
 
but wasnt he making money at one point?

Either way, I read today that RBS has been truly humped over this...

Leeson never made any money, it wasn't real money, he basically bought futures which didn't come off and when it came to the end of the trading day there wasn't enough money in the client account to close the positions so he borrowed from Head Office in London, borrowing more and more until they audited him and found bucket loads of unmatured futures running at a loss in a supposed client account which the bank had been closing off, effectively buying the options themselves, which is highly illegal for obvious reasons
 
This story shows us that there are very few intelligent people in charge of huge financial organisations. I can't believe that HSBC fell for this garbage though. As if derivatives weren't enough to deal with we now have this.

More and more creepy crawlies will be coming out of the woodwork after this latest episode. I can't wait to see who gets made a fool of next.
 
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