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    Exclamation de-activated sky cards..end of c/s???

    this makes for a good read.....this guys synopsis of how sky might be doing it
    this guy also claims to have sky rom dump, hmmm

    Forget the N lines guys, the Nline "trick" will foof everyone up

    The question of interest should be (If I'm involved in CS'ing) is how did they get my card details, to be able to then ID the account and de-activate it?

    If you are do CS'ing - say it's a small completely private network, with no reshares, etc. multiple C Lines for multi house boxes, not running off Sly internet - what's the chance of being deactivated? Almost zero - anyone that fits this (& I think there is only 1 so far) is a fluke from Sly's perspective. As are non CS folk with cards in the original STBs. It's all about data profiles - what profile do you fit, ring up 'cos entitlements have run out? Card never talks back? Only card on the sub? etc. It's no different to a Credit Scoring agency scoring Joe Bloggs and a lender saying no. In that case you can see the basic data the agency hold - but the lender will not divulge the scoring methods\algorithm.

    In this case Sly hold the data and the scoring algorithm - do you think they'll tell you anything?

    If however your F lines allow reshare, etc. what did you think was going to happen? Given an IP address - I could potentially knock on your front door & no that's isn't the stuff of Hollywood films. Whereas NDS don't require you're address.

    I think it's entirely plausible to have a card cough up it's CAM id - if the ECM could be appropriately constructed. Whilst a lot of NDS knowledge does exist outside NDS - it's nothing compared to the internal knowledge and whilst the proof doesn't exist, my knowledge of related stuff lends to a hypothesis that once NDS have a C Line (i.e. an IP Address, user name, password & port Nbr) - it's entirely plausible and probable that a specially constructed ECM could easily provide CAMid and other info. After all when a card is first paired - do you think the box is told to pair with a specific card, or is the card told to pair with a specific box. If it's the latter - surely the card holds this pairing info. Does the card not also hold it's own ID? Why can't this be retrieved? Do the data packets not have space\redundancy?

    Hand your server details out especially with reshares and we all know PayServers do "pimp" out folks shares (without them knowing about it) - this sort of thing will happen.


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    Re: de-activated sky cards..end of c/s???

    Have also been following this one and have noticed that alot of the people disconnected have also been sharing with each other. Remember the big payserver bust across europe a couple of months ago? i think this is more likely where sky have got hold of peoples ips and traced those who have subs.

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    Re: de-activated sky cards..end of c/s???

    I have read one or 2 threads about c/s now saying that the end is nigh etc..... My sub is up at Chrimbo time and I was going to look into either using a pay server OR setting my own with friends and family, mainly family. Is this now a bad idea?

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    Re: de-activated sky cards..end of c/s???

    The freinds and family sharing with only people you know and trust is definatley the safer choice Smok3y666.

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    Re: de-activated sky cards..end of c/s???

    Quote Originally Posted by Smok3y666 View Post
    I have read one or 2 threads about c/s now saying that the end is nigh etc..... My sub is up at Chrimbo time and I was going to look into either using a pay server OR setting my own with friends and family, mainly family. Is this now a bad idea?
    People using payservers is whats ruining our hobby, you should never use them.

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    Re: de-activated sky cards..end of c/s???

    Since the guy is not sure of the technical method of initial pairing, I'm not convinced he's an expert. For sure people should still take the advice and have their own closed private shares. The details of the box, and the unique card id are stored on the card. If the server has client emm updates enabled then it is possible to retrieve this info remotely. I do not know of an ecm command that will return these private details, but if developed it would cause an interesting 'cat & mouse' game -just like the olden days, block~counter~block~counter~block... sounds fun to me

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    Re: de-activated sky cards..end of c/s???

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkhelmets View Post
    Since the guy is not sure of the technical method of initial pairing, I'm not convinced he's an expert. For sure people should still take the advice and have their own closed private shares. The details of the box, and the unique card id are stored on the card. If the server has client emm updates enabled then it is possible to retrieve this info remotely. I do not know of an ecm command that will return these private details, but if developed it would cause an interesting 'cat & mouse' game -just like the olden days, block~counter~block~counter~block... sounds fun to me
    I think if you read the post - you'll see references to card pairing are rhetorical statements not questions.

    After all when a card is first paired - do you think the box is told to pair with a specific card, or is the card told to pair with a specific box. If it's the latter - surely the card holds this pairing info. Does the card not also hold it's own ID? Why can't this be retrieved? Do the data packets not have space\redundancy?
    The above "so called" questions weren't for folk to answer but for the average CS user to actually think for a moment.

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    edit: Bod - the guy claiming to have Rom dump is someone else - not that one who wrote the synopsis you posted.
    Last edited by RavingLoony; 28th September 2010 at 21:24.

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    Re: de-activated sky cards..end of c/s???

    it was late at night
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    Re: de-activated sky cards..end of c/s???

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    it was late at night
    I know the feeling mate.

    As stated in the post you quoted and in later posts by that person, it's probably more to do with targeting cards being used outside the UK and those that have been inadvertantly peering with payservers.

    It's a wake up call for folk to vet who they peer with and take security seriously!

    I don't think it's the end of CS'ing. After all Sly's infrastructure is paid for - so they'd rather keep the revenue rather than bear the expense of going after every hobbyist and loose that revenue and risk a test case setting a legal precedent, and the negative publicity.

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    Re: de-activated sky cards..end of c/s???

    their infrastructure may be paid for, but the investors and shareholders want to see a return on their investments.

    imagine a pay server has 200 clients, all on full pack at 50 a month (slys fees) thats 10k a month they lose in revenue, now if they take down the server, and only 50% of those peers then take out an official sub, they upped their monthly income by 5k if a site has multiple servers, with 500 people on each one, then you see how sly work out that its costing them 100k+ each month just over a few sites servers

    the pairing info is held on the card. you can have multiple cards paired to the same box as well

    its the big pay sites that will be the downfall of the cardsharing hobby, and like ive said a million times, cccam is way to unsecure to trust




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