thanks for your help and can say your on the money when you say "you've ftp'd the file into the wrong folder ( my bad but in my defence could't get clear info on how to - that exculds you segel ) much respect you'v try'd to help me where outher's would't, will be typing a dummes gide on how to use the blue panel when get time ( probly tuesday etc?( will be done ) but will give my out look on how to setup a tm ( without sort text lang, that only people know when they know wot there doing - again not directed to you segel as you have try'd to help when others would't and if my mailbox was't full, im sure you would have broght me to where i im now, with blue panel working with uptodate banquitetime i turened in, leater pep's


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